The ongoing troofer campaign against JREF!

The problem is that when you try to respond to a truther logically, they go into lunatic rants about how "you're a paid shill", "brianwashed by the MSM," "an agent of mossad." At first they seem harmless but when you bring the evidence, they switch into such abrasive behavior.
 
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abenja1 said:
The problem is that when you try to respond to a truther logically, they go into lunatic rants about how "you're a paid shill", "brianwashed by the MSM," "an agent of mossad." At first the seem harmless but when you bring the evidence, they switch into such abrasive behavior.
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Yes, they remind me of the homeopaths, and other snakeoil salesmen.

When they think you are a sucker, an easy pick, they are kind, gentle, giving, open...

the minute they realize you know what you are talking about, and that you know they are FOS, they turn on a dime, and suddenly become angry, obnoxious, and generally ridiculous.

TAM:)
 
abenja1 said:
The problem is that when you try to respond to a truther logically, they go into lunatic rants about how "you're a paid shill", "brianwashed by the MSM," "an agent of mossad." At first the seem harmless but when you bring the evidence, they switch into such abrasive behavior.
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Witness TC329's little meltdown yesterday:


http://72.32.2.238/forumlive/showthread.php?t=112768

The guy is convinced that this site is full of government agents intent on suppressing dissent. It'd be sad if it weren't so damn ridiculous.
 
beachnut,
The truth movement's only goal is to sell false information!
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I don't believe that for a moment. Whether people have different views than you or whether they are indeed guilty of conspiracy oriented logic, is arguable. There is no basis to suggest that people who have joined the truth movement are interested in anything other than finding the answers to the many questions that were proposed by the Family Steering Committee but ignored by the 9/11 Commission. Perhaps there are certain younger more ambitious followers that tend to adopt an accusatory tone instead of quietly and respectfully lobbeying for a new investigation. This is merely a product of growing frustration of well meaning people who are tired of being ignored or ridiculed for what they believe to be legitimate concerns.

The real sign that 9/11 truth is debunked and dead, the terrorist who gave us 9/11, are debunking 9/11 truth.
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If you waterboard a guy long enough I'm sure he'll tell you anything you want to hear. He is probably telling the truth though. If you can't trust a terrorist to tell the truth than who can you trust, right?
 
dommyboysinjapan:
Do you think the "truth" movement will ever be taken seriously while they campaign a CD or MIHOP theory (accusation is probably a better word)?
 
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...The goal of the Truth Movement is to find out all the details of what happened that day to get past the inconsistencies...
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No, I don't think that's it. The cover story for the 9/11 CTist movement may read something like that, but the goal is entirely different. Because if truth really were its goal, the movement would no longer exist, because every one of its even remotely relevant questions have been answered, and every one of its contrarian claims has been debunked a million times over. If the movement were interested in truth, they would accept that and move on.

But truth really isn't the goal with these guys. Basically, they just want to call attention to themselves. For the rank and file, I suspect the attention is intended to inject a little relevance and significance into their lives, and compensate for feelings of inadequacy and unimportance. For the leaders, it's to stroke egos and maybe make a few bucks. But truth? Forget it. In fact, truth is the last thing these people want.
 
T.A.M.,
That is why Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas laugh at the victims of flight 93 making phone calls to their loved ones before they died.

Thats why Avery insinuated that Bernard Brown sent his son off to die, knowing what would happen.

Thats why a TM member named Jackchit threatened to kill Mark Roberts when he (Jackchit) arrived in New York.

Thats why Kevin Barrett, a TM leader, threatens to have people sent to the Gallows.

Thats why Jim Fetzer made fun of Mark Bingham in his final moments.
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Sometimes human beings from the Truth Movement behave badly, just as sometimes human beings that vehemently defend the mainstream theories of 9/11 behave badly.
Here is one example:
Ann Coulter:
Coulter writes in a new book, “Godless: The Church of Liberalism,” that a group of New Jersey widows whose husbands perished in the World Trade Center act “as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them.”

She also wrote, “I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/07/entertainment/main1690954.shtml
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I could give you quite a few quotes from Bill O'reilly too. What would it prove?
When people from one side or the other make threats or say hurtful things or exhibit other kinds of disrespectful behaviour it is more about their own level of dignity and maturity then anything else. Quoting a few truthers making comments that were in poor taste does not in any way invalidate the broad questions and concerns of the Truth Movement as a whole. I feel this should be quite an obvious point.
I am sure you will call the above an appeal to emotion, and damn right it is, but when you post such a BS piece of crap lie like the one above, I have to call you on it.
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I would not call it 'an appeal to emotion'. I would call it 'faulty reasoning.' Please tell me specifically what you feel that I lied about.
 
Alt+F4,
Pipeline through Afghanistan? Willie Brown being warned not to fly? Are you kidding us with stuff?
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These are unanswered questions prepared by the Family Steering Committee not by me. I suggest you ask some of the victim's families if they are 'kidding' when it comes to wanting specific answers about the events of 9/11. I'm sure they would be overjoyed at your level of empathy.
 
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Alt+F4,

These are unanswered questions prepared by the Family Steering Committee not by me. I suggest you ask some of the victim's families if they are 'kidding' when it comes to wanting specific answers about the events of 9/11. I'm sure they would be overjoyed at your level of empathy.
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12 family members is what you have? How about the rest who think that their questions have been answered and feel that continuing with this crap is painful? Why do these 12 outweight the vast majority?
 
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beachnut,

I don't believe that for a moment. Whether people have different views than you or whether they are indeed guilty of conspiracy oriented logic, is arguable. There is no basis to suggest that people who have joined the truth movement are interested in anything other than finding the answers to the many questions that were proposed by the Family Steering Committee but ignored by the 9/11 Commission. Perhaps there are certain younger more ambitious followers that tend to adopt an accusatory tone instead of quietly and respectfully lobbeying for a new investigation. This is merely a product of growing frustration of well meaning people who are tired of being ignored or ridiculed for what they believe to be legitimate concerns.


If you waterboard a guy long enough I'm sure he'll tell you anything you want to hear. He is probably telling the truth though. If you can't trust a terrorist to tell the truth than who can you trust, right?
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KSM took responsibility for 911 before and after he was captured, so your argument, pardon the pun, holds no water.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
Alt+F4,

These are unanswered questions prepared by the Family Steering Committee not by me. I suggest you ask some of the victim's families if they are 'kidding' when it comes to wanting specific answers about the events of 9/11. I'm sure they would be overjoyed at your level of empathy.
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That website hasn't been updated in over three years. I'm saying that you've got to be kidding linking to a site that ask questions that have been answerered over and over again.

Have you ever spoken to a 9/11 family member? I have. Take Sally Regenhard (mentioned on that website), who's firefighter son was murdered that day. She doesn't think 9/11 was an "inside job". She blames the death of her son on faulty FDNY equipment.

Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

Why would the "bad guys" warn Willie Brown not to fly when he was in San Fransisco and the "bad guys" knew that the hijackings would occur on the east coast? Absolutely stupid.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
T.A.M.,

Sometimes human beings from the Truth Movement behave badly, just as sometimes human beings that vehemently defend the mainstream theories of 9/11 behave badly.
Here is one example:
Ann Coulter:

I could give you quite a few quotes from Bill O'reilly too. What would it prove?
When people from one side or the other make threats or say hurtful things or exhibit other kinds of disrespectful behaviour it is more about their own level of dignity and maturity then anything else. Quoting a few truthers making comments that were in poor taste does not in any way invalidate the broad questions and concerns of the Truth Movement as a whole. I feel this should be quite an obvious point.

I would not call it 'an appeal to emotion'. I would call it 'faulty reasoning.' Please tell me specifically what you feel that I lied about.
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I do not defend Coulter or O'Reilly either...just the opposite.

Fine, if you are saying that the people in the TM that I quoted above are similar to Coulter and O'Reilly, then should not those of you, like yourself, be denouncing them, and attempting to have them refrain from accusing people of crimes with no evidence?

It seems to me that most of the TM, if they are like you and allegedly only seeking answers, are guilty of allowing other members of the TM to misrepresent your true goals and purposes.

TAM:)

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It is not so much that you lied, but that you left out the other goals of the TM.

1. Profit
2. Fame
3. Rage Against the Machine
4. Raising low self esteem through dismissing or berating others. (This last one some debunkers are even occasionally guilty of).

TAM:)

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They were not "a few truthers". Most of the quotes/examples were from LEADERS of your TM. They were from the PUBLIC FACE of the TM.
 
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...I suggest you ask some of the victim's families if they are 'kidding' when it comes to wanting specific answers about the events of 9/11. I'm sure they would be overjoyed at your level of empathy.
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I really, really wouldn't play the "empathy" card if I were you. How empathic are Avery and Bermas being when they accuse a father of murdering his own son by putting him on a plane he knew was going to crash?

I wish you could see how obvious it is that you're just making excuses, and looking for reasons to believe in the 9/11 conspiracy. That's very much not seeking the truth, that's pretending this unhealthy little fantasy has some validity. If you want or need to believe that it does, that's your choice I guess. But I'm not sure what motivates you to come here and post this tired crap, when by now you've got to know it's just going to be tossed back in your face, in what should be humiliating fashion, over and over and over again. What on earth are you getting out of this?
 
Disbelief,
12 family members is what you have? How about the rest who think that their questions have been answered and feel that continuing with this crap is painful? Why do these 12 outweight the vast majority?
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Here is what Bill Doyle said:
Alex Jones: With your 7,000 members, I'm sure you've talked to most if not all of them. Run the gamut, what percentage, a guesstimation, would you say believe 9/11 is an inside job, to some extent?

Bill Doyle: Maybe half, maybe. It's probably 50-50."http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html
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Apart from being a family member of one of the victims here is a description of who he is:
Bill Doyle – Father of Joseph Doyle, Cantor Fitzgerald, WTC North Tower. Founder of the Bill Doyle 9/11 Support Group, a bi-partisan support group of more than 7,000 members of 2,573 families. His group merged with the Coalition of 9/11 Families in 2004 and is now know as the World Trade Center United Family Group, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.
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How does 50% of the families translate to 12 people? Tell me why I should believe you over him. What is your relationship to the victim's families? If you can prove to me via statistics, documents or a poll that more victim's family members support the 911 Commission Report than a new investigation then I will stop asking for a new investigation on this or any other forum. That is my promise.
 
Stellafane,
I really, really wouldn't play the "empathy" card if I were you. How empathic are Avery and Bermas being when they accuse a father of murdering his own son by putting him on a plane he knew was going to crash?

I wish you could see how obvious it is that you're just making excuses, and looking for reasons to believe in the 9/11 conspiracy. That's very much not seeking the truth, that's pretending this unhealthy little fantasy has some validity. If you want or need to believe that it does, that's your choice I guess. But I'm not sure what motivates you to come here and post this tired crap, when by now you've got to know it's just going to be tossed back in your face, in what should be humiliating fashion, over and over and over again. What on earth are you getting out of this?
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I really, really wouldn't play the "empathy" card if I were you either. How empathic is Ann Coulter being when she accuses the victims of "enjoying their husbands deaths.?"

I wish you could see how obvious it is that you're just making excuses, and looking for reasons to believe in the mainstream 9/11 conspiracy. That's very much not seeking the truth, that's pretending this unhealthy little fantasy has some validity. If you want or need to believe that it does, that's your choice I guess. But I'm not sure what motivates you to come here and post this tired crap, when by now you've got to know it's just going to be tossed back in your face, in what should be humiliating fashion, over and over and over again. What on earth are you getting out of this?
 
Stellafane,
Because if truth really were its goal, the movement would no longer exist, because every one of its even remotely relevant questions have been answered,...
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Correct me if I am wrong but I do believe this question was ignored not answered:
Who did Mr. Silverstein talk to about building 7 if it wasn't Daniel Nigro?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJPCCTLcPcs

Could it be possible that there are still some other lingering questions that are being ignored about 9/11 too or do you suppose this is just an isolated incident?
 
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Stellafane,

Correct me if I am wrong but I do believe this question was ignored not answered:
Who did Mr. Silverstein talk to about building 7 if it wasn't Daniel Nigro?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJPCCTLcPcs

Could it be possible that there are still some other lingering questions that are being ignored about 9/11 too or do you suppose this is just an isolated incident?
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You do know that even questioning the meaning of the phase "pull it" is accusing Silverstein and the FDNY of being "in on it"? There's really no way around this "little inconvenience" for you if you actually think about it.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
Stellafane,

Correct me if I am wrong but I do believe this question was ignored not answered:
Who did Mr. Silverstein talk to about building 7 if it wasn't Daniel Nigro?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJPCCTLcPcs

Could it be possible that there are still some other lingering questions that are being ignored about 9/11 too or do you suppose this is just an isolated incident?
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Why is this important?
 
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