The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

Head of the Cairo University Archaeology Department, Dr Ala Shaheen in December 2010 had told an audience that there might be truth to the theory that aliens helped the ancient Egyptians build the oldest of pyramids, the Pyramids of Giza.

On being further questioned by Mr Marek Novak, a delegate from Poland as to whether the pyramid might still contain alien technology or even a UFO with its structure, Dr Shaheen, was vague and replied “I can not confirm or deny this, but there is something inside the pyramid that is “not of this world”.

Let's just take this one claim and examine it. The reality is that Dr. Alaeddin Abdul Mohsen Shaheen never said such a thing. The claim was originally made by allnewsweb.com and has spread to all manner of kook websites and blogs. It is a complete lie. Dr. Shaheen works for Zahi Hawass, a man who has famously refered to those who claim that aliens were involved in the construction of the pyramids as "pyramidiots". Do you really think that Dr. Shaheen would still be working under Dr. Hawass if he had said such a thing? Do you really think that not a single news network would have reported such a statement if it had actually been made?
 
Be nice to us, it's our birthday.


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I should have been clearer and said " . . . can't take us anywhere". I thought it was only The Aussies and the Kiwis that referred to "crisps" as "chips".

Dare I suggest that getting a definitive answer to this is probably much more useful that trying to decipher edge's posts.
 
My cat is called Chairman Meeow.
Mine is named Chaucer. My daughter was going through a literary phase at the time.


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I should have been clearer and said " . . . can't take us anywhere". I thought it was only The Aussies and the Kiwis that referred to "crisps" as "chips".

Dare I suggest that getting a definitive answer to this is probably much more useful that trying to decipher edge's posts.
Ah, so as usual it's the old folks who refuse to move with the times.
 
Let's just take this one claim and examine it. The reality is that Dr. Alaeddin Abdul Mohsen Shaheen never said such a thing. The claim was originally made by allnewsweb.com and has spread to all manner of kook websites and blogs. It is a complete lie. Dr. Shaheen works for Zahi Hawass, a man who has famously refered to those who claim that aliens were involved in the construction of the pyramids as "pyramidiots". Do you really think that Dr. Shaheen would still be working under Dr. Hawass if he had said such a thing? Do you really think that not a single news network would have reported such a statement if it had actually been made?

Indeed.

I received the follow email from Dr Shaheen on December 1, 2010:

"Kindly be informed that I did not gave such stupid statement about aliens and Pyramids. As [I am] Egyptologist I could [not] say such stupid words and ideas."

So there you have it. New age fundie spin, again.


http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/shaheen.htm
 
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I should have been clearer and said " . . . can't take us anywhere". I thought it was only The Aussies and the Kiwis that referred to "crisps" as "chips".

Dare I suggest that getting a definitive answer to this is probably much more useful that trying to decipher edge's posts.

In Belgium and Holland the name for crisps is chips.
 
Must read: Earth's Forbidden Secrets by Max Igen

I have... questions ...about the History we are taught as fact, and I believe
evidence, common sense and logic suggests they are valid ones.
Earths Forbidden Secrets explores those questions.

It is my hope that people will not simply take what is said
in this book as the truth, but will research and find out for
themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized.

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Index
1. Enigma & Conspiracy
2. Riddles from the Past
The Piri Reis Map of 1513
The Orontius Fineus Map of 1531
The Bauche Map of 1737
The Franco Rosselli Map of 1508
The Mercater Map of 1538
The Egyptian Pyramid
Aztec Earplugs?
The Lost Necklace
The Mysterious Metal Vase
The Puma Punka Stone
The Nasca Lines
The Ica Stones
Ancient Nanotechnology
A 500,000 year old Spark Plug
Stone Age Modern Hand Tools
A Fossilized Human Handprint
An Ancient Calculator?
Baalbeck
An Iron Pot in Coal
Evidence of Advanced Medical Knowledge
A Petrified Human Skull
Ancient Electricity
An Ancient X-Ray Machine
A Fossilized Human Shoeprint
The Dropa Stones
A Fossilized Human Finger
A Brass Bell in Coal
The Rhodesian Man
A Pillar of much too Pure Iron
2.8 Billion year old Metal Spheres
The Crystal Skulls
The Nampa Image
The Dogon
The Giant Stone Balls of Costa Rica
The Lanzhou Stone
The Colorado Pavement
The Kentucky Pavement
A Fruit that really shouldn’t exist
Loose Ends

Thanks
if I ever need a list of long debunked woo beliefs that will come in really handy

e.g.
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:D
 
Continuous agriculture for thousands of years gradually exhausted the soil and depleted its nutrition. I read this in one of the many articles about Gobekli-Tepe and the surrounding area (SE Turkey) available on-line.



It was not "nature" but deliberate human effort that buried the site. The archeologists who have spent the last 17 years excavating and examining the site have concluded it was human effort. Do you have any evidence that it was "nature" apart from your appeal to incredulity?



Arguments from ignorance, incredulity and towards an unfalsifiable premise (namely, God) noted and rejected as irrational and non-evidential.

That's just your opinion about Namely God.
Where is the evidence that it was human effort that buried that site?
17 years and they are still only half way to the bottom, how many years did it take to bury it with out a shovel on site?
At least they should have found one that they have excavated right?
Lets see one shovel?
If they did it with baskets and loaded them with ruble and dirt, do you have any idea how labor intensive that is?
Load a five-gallon bucket with some rock and dirt then try to lift it over your head, then get back to me.


My evidence that nature did it, bury it, comes from what is written in the bible and all the myths about a great deluge that happened abut 10,000 –years ago that others like the Sumerians wrote about along with many other cultures that experienced that disaster.
We know that the Sahara was a tropical jungle 10,000 years ago and the climate at Gobekli-Tepe had to be way more suitable in that era but is now also desolate, pretty close to desert like conditions of the Sahara, then something happened a global catastrophe perhaps?

Some of you have said that that building with blocks is the best they could do, begging the question, is ridicules.
When in fact these buildings have lasted for over 10,000 years, nothing we build even today will last past a few hundred years, so what better way to do it back then?

Then you have the balls to say,
Continuous agriculture for thousands of years gradually exhausted the soil and depleted its nutrition. I read this in one of the many articles about Gobekli-Tepe and the surrounding area (SE Turkey) available on-line.

But not a change in weather patterns?
Continuous agriculture for thousands of years? Come on they didn’t know about manure or ash?
Even with crop rotation, thousands of years?
You really believe that?

When the water runs out in an area that is all she wrote whether it's an aquifer or rainfall.
Look at what the Sahara was like before 10,000 b.c….
The vast desert that is now the Sahara in north Africa was, once, succeeding the last ice age in 10,000 B.C., a fertile land with grass, lakes, and rivers. The early Africans who grazed these lands lived as primitive hunter-gatherers. By 9000 B.C., the peoples of east Sudan domesticated cattle, continuing to collect wild grain. By 7500 B.C., they settled permanently, developing one of the earliest agricultural settlements, mostly cultivating sorghum. By 8000 B.C. the peoples of western Sudan began to cultivate yams. Sheep and goats arrived from the Near East after 7000 B.C., and the Sudanic people began to cultivate gourds, watermelon, and cotton by 6500 B.C.

http://orthoscholar.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/ancient-egyptians-nubians-and-the-bantu/

Five Periods of Rock Art in the Sahara
The rock art in the Sahara can be categorized into five general periods:
· Bubalus petroglyphs: large wild animals such as Buffalo, Elephants, Rhinoceros; 9,000 to 6,000 B.C. During the period from 10,000 to 6000 B.C. the Nile Valley was uninhabitable with tremendous flooding from glacier runoff into the Blue and White Niles from Ethiopia. From about 10,000 B.C., any settlements in the Nile Valley were wiped out with the inundations. As the meltdown began to slow, people from the Sahara moved back into the Nile Valley.
· Roundhead people petroglyphs: approximately 6000 to 4000 B.C.; humans are depicted with rounded heads and have a rather alien look about them.
· Cattle herding petroglyphs: 4,500 to 2,500 B.C.
· Horse and horses with chariots rock art: from 1200 B.C.
· Camel petroglyphs: from 500 B.C., sometimes accompanied by the tifnar script of the Tuaregs


Read more at Suite101: Prehistoric Saharan Rock Art: Signs of Changing Climate and Early Egyptian Religion in the Sahara | Suite101.com http://www.suite101.com/content/prehistoric-saharan-rock-art-a185287#ixzz1REjCrRda


Ancient alien theorists suggest that there were genetic manipulations and one of the reasons Neanderthals went extinct is because they were stagnant and even from them is were the manipulation started.




SUMMARY: During the last Ice Age, the Sahara was savannah with rivers, lakes and plentiful rains. Over the past 10,000 years that landscape changed, but the rains from that period progressively percolated beneath the ground to be collected in aquifers. Today these aquifers are an important source of water for irrigating agriculture and supporting human populations in the area.






http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/nile.html

http://news.mongabay.com/2005/1219-esa.html

"Discovery of crater indicates meteorite impact in Sahara"
(Several impact craters litter the Sahara desert,vitrified rock that is now exposed from sand blasting from desert storms-could this possibly have been something else and could it have wiped out Atlantis?)
Researchers from Boston University have discovered the remnants of the largest crater of the Great Sahara of North Africa, which may have been formed by a meteorite impact tens of millions of years ago. Dr. Farouk El-Baz made the discovery while studying satellite images of the Western Desert of Egypt with his colleague, Dr. Eman Ghoneim, at BU's Center for Remote Sensing.
The double-ringed crater – which has an outer rim surrounding an inner ring – is approximately 31 kilometers in diameter. Prior to the latest finding, the Sahara's biggest known crater, in Chad, measured just over 12 kilometers. According to El-Baz, the Center's director, the crater's vast area suggests the location may have been hit by a meteorite the entire size of the famous Meteor (Barringer) Crater in Arizona which is 1.2 kilometers wide.

El-Baz named his find "Kebira," which means "large" in Arabic and also relates to the crater's physical location on the northern tip of the Gilf Kebir region in southwestern Egypt. The reason why a crater this big had never been found before is something the scientists are speculating.

"Kebira may have escaped recognition because it is so large – bigger than the area of 125 football fields, or the total expanse of the Cairo urban region from its airport in the northeast to the Pyramids of Giza in the southwest," said Dr. El-Baz. "Also, the search for craters typically concentrates on small features, especially those that can be identified on the ground. The advantage of a view from space is that it allows us to see regional patterns and the big picture."

The researchers also found evidence that Kebira suffered significant water and wind erosion which may have helped keep its features unrecognizable to others. "The courses of two ancient rivers run through it from the east and west," added Ghoneim.

The terrain in which the crater resides is composed of 100 million year-old sandstone – the same material that lies under much of the eastern Sahara. The researchers hope that field investigations and samples of the host rock will help in determining the exact age of the crater and its surroundings.

Kebira's shape is reminiscent of the many double-ringed craters on the Moon, which Dr. El-Baz remembers from his years of work with the Apollo program.
 
Just for your information.
Jesus: The Illusion’s Reason for Being is Rapidly Coming to an End | The 2012 Scenario
http://2012indyinfo.wordpress.com/2...s-rapidly-coming-to-an-end-the-2012-scenario/
According to marine scientists in India, archaeological remains of this lost city have been discovered 36 metres (120 feet) underwater in the Gulf of Cambay off the western coast of India. And carbon dating says that they are 9,500 years old.

This news completely contradicts the position of most Western historians and archaeologists, who (because it did not fit their theories) have always rejected, ignored, or suppressed evidence of an older view of mankind's existence on planet Earth. Human civilization is now provably much more ancient than many have believed.
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/oldcity.htm

Underwater Cities, Ruins and Other Urban Archeology: 7 Submerged Wonders of the World


North Sea, Europe: A lost natural landscape was found recently under the North Sea, once occupied by human hunter-gatherers over 10,000 years ago. What were once rivers, lakes and oceans are now all at the bottom of the sea, only made known through digital mapping. Scientists theorize that this amazingly well-preserved landscape was at the heart of an ancient civilization spread across Europe.

http://weburbanist.com/2007/09/12/underwater-urban-archeology-7-submerged-wonders-of-the-world/
 

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Hundreds of rooms in the underground cities were connected to each other with long passages and labyrinth-like tunnels. The corridors were made long, low and narrow, to restrict the movements of enemies. Small indentions were also hollowed out on the wall surfaces of these corridors, in which to put candles and oil lamps filled with gold-colored linseed oil. However, so far, in none of the underground settlements has an oil-press (a place used to make linseed-oil) been found. Therefore, it is assumed that linseed oil was made outside and then taken to the underground settlements. The linseed oil lamps were used not only to lit the places but also to heat them. There are millstones for defense purposes between the floors to separate the various areas. The millstones, which can be opened only from the inside, are 1-1,5 m in height, 30-50 cm in width and 200-500 kg in weight. A hole bored in the center was used to open and close the millstone, as well as to see the enemies behind it, or to attack them with one or two exceptions were carved out in situ.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappadocia


http://weburbanist.com/2007/10/15/7-more-underground-wonders-of-the-world-lost-caverns-and-cities/
 

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The Saharan civilizations probably died off due to glacier melt which reduced the water supply (that's why it's a desert now) so that's quite of opposite of a flood/catastrophe.

Unless you suppose all the water from the Sahara was used to flood everywhere else XD
 
My evidence that nature did it, bury it, comes from what is written in the bible and all the myths about a great deluge that happened abut 10,000 –years ago that others like the Sumerians wrote about along with many other cultures that experienced that disaster. .

where is your evidence for the existence of a flood story written by the Sumerian civilisation?

I have only ever heard of the existence of a flood story written during the Akkadian period, which was fictionally set during Sumerian times, around 3500bce

so thats not evidence of a flood 7000 years earlier is it, unless youre as bad at math as you are at history, if you were a little better at history you'd have realised that even that flood story was based on an earlier flood story where the flooding was only local and not global.

so these other cultures that experienced the same disaster
list them
:p
 
This. And they don't even do THAT well. The Romans built aquaducts that still work--where are the Egyptian equivalents? The Romans had concrete. Where is concrete in Egypt? Even the Mayans (or was it the Inca?) had something similar. The Egyptians built with LIMESTONE--you can make a type of mortar by cooking limestone (it's how the Maya or Inca, whichever, did it). And why did the aliens mess up the calculations (the Bent Pyramid)?! If you have an interstellar drive, how hard is it to smelt iron and make steel? Or aluminum (electrolysis is a great way to make it)?

The idea that ancient aliens built the pyramids is built on hatred of ancient humans and the belief that aliens are complete morons who somehow created interstellar travel.

I don't know if it as much hatred as the "Ascent of Man" idea. The thought that there's been a steady progression of mankind seems to be widely ingrained in the popular mind so naturally the idea that the 'ancients' could do any great work is discounted.

Every generation seems to have a kind of 'generational solipsism' that causes them them to view the present time as the best or the worst of times.
 
You want to leave out the explanations of the ancients and insert your own more rational ones, but to ignore it all is a mistake, because if they were writing down fiction I doubt they would have carved this in stone.

Why?
Why do you doubt that a culture would exaggerate?
Why do you doubt that a culture would make drawings that were more artistic than realistic?
Why do you doubt that a culture would use symbolism to convey ideas?
Why would a culture not carve fiction into a stone?

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So, Edge. Is there any evidence we can present to you that will even slightly reduce your beliefs about these ancient sites and ancient events? Or are you so certain that you have the truth that nothing we can show you will sway you from your beliefs?
 
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http://2012indyinfo.wordpress.com/20...2012-scenario/
Got anything from a peer-reviewed journal? Also, when accusing people of fraud it's considered polite to point to specific occurances. If you're going to accuse actual human beings (people I work with) of fraud, you'd better be able to back it up.

When in fact these buildings have lasted for over 10,000 years, nothing we build even today will last past a few hundred years, so what better way to do it back then?
Bull. There are all kinds of things humans have built in the past, oh, 50 years or so that'll last millions of years. Ever dig a basement or foundation? That's permanent. You neither understand archeology nor taphonomy, thus your conclusions are necessarily wrong.

ETA: Also, I find it curious that anyone is surprised that ancient peoples seem to mention large floods 10,000 years ago. This was roughly the transition from the Pleistocene to the Holocene--from a glacial age to an interglacial. Flooding was common. A lot of ice dams were bursting, a lot of runnoff was coming off the glaciers, and in general there was a lot of hydrolic activity at the time. I doubt that all, or even most, ancient peoples have flood myths, but the presence of a handful from 10ka isn't surprising in the least.
 
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