The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

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Fixed it for you.

 

[Marduk]

So Marduky I don’t know what you guys do at your computers over there, but here we have the female persuasion of the species to help with what you are suggesting.

you just have the persuasion ?
over here we have the real thing

 

[Marduk]

lets take this slowly shall we

You want to leave out the explanations of the ancients and insert your own more rational ones, but to ignore it all is a mistake, because if they were writing down fiction I doubt they would have carved this in stone.

that big guy on the right is a statue
you knew that right ?

perhaps you can tell me the date of the piece and the culture responsible for it ?

 

[TimCallahan]

lets take this slowly shall we

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that big guy on the right is a statueyou knew that right ?

perhaps you can tell me the date of the piece and the culture responsible for it ?

Marduk, are you sure it's a statue? Could it not be a person rendered larger than the others owing to greater rank, as in Asshurbanipul's stele commemorating his conquest of Upper Egypt? In the stele the Assyrian monarch is shown as huge, while a puny Pharaoh Taharka looks up at him in awe.

Of course, since you do read cuneiform you may well know something I don't.

 

[Marduk]

Marduk, are you sure it's a statue? Could it not be a person rendered larger than the others owing to greater rank, as in Asshurbanipul's stele commemorating his conquest of Upper Egypt? In the stele the Assyrian monarch is shown as huge, while a puny Pharaoh Taharka looks up at him in awe.

Of course, since you do read cuneiform you may well know something I don't.

I can't read Neo-Assyrian cuneiform, they use the same cuneiform symbols but record a different language in the same way that french and english use the same alphabet but knowledge of one does not allow understanding of the other

But this is a very famous scene from the yearly Akitu festival, shown here where the king (middle left) led by a priest and a guard takes the hand of the statue of Shamash (sun god/seated) to show that he has been a just king, allegedly if he has been bad he's supposed to be immolated by the God. The round symbol on the table is the standard symbol of Shamash. The rod and ring in the hand of the statue are symbols of godly authority.
the same scene is repeated on numerous cylinder seals where the god statue is smaller (because cylinder seals are just a couple of inches high)
here from the early Akkadian period (the god is Enlil)

this seal you might recognise

again with Enlil as a statue
and also on the top of the stele of Hammurabi

As time passed and the Chief deity kept changing depending upon the associated culture it became standard to use Shamash for these ceremonies instead of the top god, Shamash was also used as a signatory on all legal contracts because I guess he was pretty constant in all the various pantheons, so could always be relied upon, you see Shamash was present in the sky on a daily basis,

The depiction of larger than life figures in mesopotamian art is usually because of one of two reasons, either as you said because drawing a large figure shows its importance or because it is a depiction of something in life which was larger, this is a case of the latter



This is for you Edge, please post it in your history threads in future

 

[Akhenaten]

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I can't read Neo-Assyrian cuneiform, they use the same cuneiform symbols but record a different language in the same way that french and english use the same alphabet but knowledge of one does not allow understanding of the other

Why not just look it up then, say, at the British Museum where the actual tablet is located? Those dudes can read just about anything.

Tablet of Shamash

Babylonian, early 9th century BC

From Sippar, southern Iraq


The restoration of the Sun-god's image and temple

This stone tablet shows Shamash, the sun-god, seated under an awning and holding the rod and ring, symbols of divine authority. The symbols of the Sun, Moon and Venus are above him with another large sun symbol supported by two divine attendants. On the left is the Babylonian king Nabu-apla-iddina between two interceding deities.

The cuneiform text describes how the Temple of Shamash at Sippar had fallen into decay and the image of the god had been destroyed. During the reign of Nabu-apla-iddina, however, a terracotta model of the statue was found on the far side of the Euphrates and the king ordered a new image be constructed of gold and lapis lazuli. The text then confirms and extends the privileges of the temple.

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[Akhenaten]

Fixed it for you.

No, you've made a complete mess of it.

 

[Dancing David]

I can agree with what you say here and others like Vortigern99 have stated, but it's a desert now since 10,000 to 13,000 years-ago, so what happened?

I would want to see the paleo botany on that before judging what sort of eco-system it had, what sort of rainfall there was and what resources they were exploiting.

 

[Vortigern99]

I can agree with what you say here and others like Vortigern99 have stated, but it's a desert now since 10,000 to 13,000 years-ago, so what happened?

Continuous agriculture for thousands of years gradually exhausted the soil and depleted its nutrition. I read this in one of the many articles about Gobekli-Tepe and the surrounding area (SE Turkey) available on-line.

Not only that but it was buried, I can’t see wasting the labor of thousands to do this it had to be nature that did this.

It was not "nature" but deliberate human effort that buried the site. The archeologists who have spent the last 17 years excavating and examining the site have concluded it was human effort. Do you have any evidence that it was "nature" apart from your appeal to incredulity?

If you read into scripts that were left out like what is in Enoch and then leading up to Noah there is an explanation.
The Sand scripts from India is another example with details.
Now in India they imply that men were well equipped with knowledge since they insist that we were around for tens of thousands of years ago, possibly 100,000 years.

The one thing that the Hebrew insists is they are the only ones to survive and that it was a global event to explain it, when in reality God spared more than one race.
I have watched about 20 or more of the episodes of the proof they offer in that series.
The locals all over the world described these others as Gods descending down and describing to their best ability how they descended.

Between the two different accounts there seems to be two cleansing events, one about 70,000 years ago and one about 13,000 years ago and those who influenced us were banished but still have some influence but not they way it was in earlier history.
You want to leave out the explanations of the ancients and insert your own more rational ones, but to ignore it all is a mistake, because if they were writing down fiction I doubt they would have carved this in stone.

Arguments from ignorance, incredulity and towards an unfalsifiable premise (namely, God) noted and rejected as irrational and non-evidential.

 

[pakeha]

I can agree with what you say here and others like Vortigern99 have stated, but it's a desert now since 10,000 to 13,000 years-ago, so what happened?
Not only that but it was buried, I can’t see wasting the labor of thousands to do this it had to be nature that did this.

Could you let us know which 'mystery' you're talking about?
You've posted up so many it's hard to know.

If you read into scripts that were left out like what is in Enoch and then leading up to Noah there is an explanation.

Could let us know what you're talking about, here, please?

The Sand scripts from India is another example with details.
Now in India they imply that men were well equipped with knowledge since they insist that we were around for tens of thousands of years ago, possibly 100,000 years.

Could you post up some sources for this?

The one thing that the Hebrew insists is they are the only ones to survive and that it was a global event to explain it, when in reality God spared more than one race.

To survive what?
Are you saying the bible is inaccurate?

I have watched about 20 or more of the episodes of the proof they offer in that series.
The locals all over the world described these others as Gods descending down and describing to their best ability how they descended.

Could you explain what you're talking about here, please?

Between the two different accounts there seems to be two cleansing events, one about 70,000 years ago and one about 13,000 years ago and those who influenced us were banished but still have some influence but not they way it was in earlier history.

Sorry?

You want to leave out the explanations of the ancients and insert your own more rational ones, but to ignore it all is a mistake, because if they were writing down fiction I doubt they would have carved this in stone.

Who?

 

[bikerdruid]

Fixed it for you.

wtf, dude?
does this mess have a point?

 

[Vortigern99]

Fixed it for you.

I take it this is meant to be an alien? If so, I understand you're trying to be funny, but good heavens what a poor attempt.

 

[Marduk]

I take it this is meant to be an alien? If so, I understand you're trying to be funny, but good heavens what a poor attempt.

the original was probably closer.....
according to this at least Akhenaten was an alien
http://ufor.blogspot.com/2007/08/alien-pharaoh.html

 

[tsig]

Cheop's Chips.

Taste like camel chips.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Taste like camel chips.

I almost hate to ask but how do you know this?

 

[Kid Eager]

My immediate reaction was "what the dickens is V doing slicing kebab?" On second glance, it was obvious that the mo was missing.

Anyhow, it's all Greek to me, so I'll be walking like an Egyptian straight out of this thread.

 

[Akhenaten]

My immediate reaction was "what the dickens is V doing slicing kebab?" On second glance, it was obvious that the mo was missing.

You might be getting mixed up with 5th of Novembernaten

Anyhow, it's all Greek to me, so I'll be walking like an Egyptian straight out of this thread.

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[tsig]

I almost hate to ask but how do you know this?

It says so right on the box.

 

[Akhenaten]

It says so right on the box.

 

[edge]

From your link.


http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2009/04/russian-already-discovered-tomb-of.html




Jennifer said...
You idiots don't you see the damn hieroglyphics? There's a ufo shining a light from the damn sky. The Egyptians were actually telling us that. They didn't fake their history the way our modern world does now. They are telling you by the drawings............it's a damn ufo!

Haven't you seen other hieroglyphics that show helicopters and space ships? They would have not known about it. But it exists. Research before talking crap.

If you think we are the only planet existing with people living on it......then you need to get out of Earth buddy.


The KGB already founds an alien pharaouh tomb many years ago.

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2009/04/russian-already-discovered-tomb-of.html
December 12, 2009
Charlie said...
I think this stuff is amazing. I first heard about it on "Ancient Aliens" on the hstory channel. I've never seen so much rock solid proof of aliens contributing to out history. For those of you who are so close minded, saying, "there's no way he was an alien, it's a load of crap." Why do you say that? Fear maybe? that we might one day lose control of the planet we may never actually have been in control of in the first place? We really just need to open our eys and read the signs. Why would someone do that to their skull just to make them appear more god-like? That's why they wore more expensive clothes, lived better, and had servants. Besides, usually people mimic their own appearance to those in power, so who would he have been mimicing his appearance to...?
July 30, 2010


http://www.history.com/shows/ancien...s-and-aliens#ancient-aliens-angels-and-aliens


The Mochican UFO Gods
The Mochica culture thrived in Peru from approximately 300 B.C. to A.D. 800.

During that time, the Mochicans seemed to have been contacted or infiltrated by “gods” who descended upon them in what we’ve come to know as flying saucers or UFOs.

The evidence for the “invasion(s)” is derived from Mochica art and legend, which are available from many Central American scholars, one of the best being Elizabeth P. Benson, whose book, The Mochica: A Culture of Peru [Praeger Publishers, NY, 1972], is our main source for the following….



http://ufor.blogspot.com/2007/07/mochican-ufo-gods.html



The UFO Creators
The Tahitian creation myth, from accounts in “Ancient Tahiti” by Teuria Henry (as noted in Alpha: The Myths of Creation by Charles H. Long [Collier Books, Toronto, 1963, Page 123] the god Ta’aroa (called Te Tumu – The Foundation) creates the world from within the cosmic egg (an archetype of many creation myths).

The cosmic egg and Ta’aroa resemble the inner space of a UFO, as represented by Rumia, the sky.


http://ufor.blogspot.com/2007/04/ufo-creators.html


Head of the Cairo University Archaeology Department, Dr Ala Shaheen in December 2010 had told an audience that there might be truth to the theory that aliens helped the ancient Egyptians build the oldest of pyramids, the Pyramids of Giza.

On being further questioned by Mr Marek Novak, a delegate from Poland as to whether the pyramid might still contain alien technology or even a UFO with its structure, Dr Shaheen, was vague and replied “I can not confirm or deny this, but there is something inside the pyramid that is “not of this world”.


















At the bottom of the page is the video of the secret KGB files on You Tube.
Click on it.











India next.