The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

[edge]

This Prehistoric Monument consisting of hundreds of Standing Stones on a territorial area of approximately 7 hectares.
Many of these stones have smooth angled holes of 4 to 5cm in diameter, the angles of the holes being directed at different points on the horizon and outer space. The age of Carahunge has been estimated to be 7500 years or older (VI millennium BC). This was accurately ascertained by taking readings of the motion of the Sun, Moon and stars, using four independent astronomical methods based on the laws of the changes of the Earth’s axis precession and incline.

Home:
http://www.carahunge.com/index.html


Photo album:


http://www.carahunge.com/photos.html

It is even now being claimed by Professor Herouni that Carahunge is the oldest stone observatory in the world, although surely the stone setting at Nabta Playa in Egypt's Libyan desert is at least as old as Carahunge, and arguably older. Plus there are my own findings with respect to the orientations of various Pre-Pottery Neolithic (PPN) sites in southeast Turkey, including the 12,000 year old Gobekli Tepe. In The Cygnus Mystery (2006) I demonstrated that, like Carahunge, they seemed to be orientated towards Cygnus's brightest star, Deneb.
“There are magnificent buildings in the world – the pyramids of Egypt, Stonehenge, wonderful temples in South American rainforests, which were created at least 6-15,000 years ago. Who are their authors? The world doesn’t know,” he says.
“Scientists find that all of those are the result of a developed culture, but they don’t know where that culture came from. This book gives an answer: Carahunge explains that 7,500 years ago Armenians possessed a stable and extensive knowledge. They knew that the Earth was round, knew its sizes. They knew that the Earth is rotating around its axis, as well as the laws of the movement of the cone-shaped axis, known as precession.”
http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/carahunge.htm

No time right now, it's hard to address 20 people one at a time in here.
I am only one.
Be back later though, hey Marduky I knew you would show up, How ya doing?

 

[pakeha]

It sounds like it will be some time before anything can be deduced from Göbekli Tepe.
Still, it's not unique.

From the NatGeo article posted up earlier
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text

Some of the first evidence for plant domestication comes from Nevalı Çori (pronounced nuh-vah-LUH CHO-ree), a settlement in the mountains scarcely 20 miles away. Like Göbekli Tepe, Nevalı Çori came into existence right after the mini ice age, a time archaeologists describe with the unlovely term Pre-pottery Neolithic (PPN). Nevalı Çori is now inundated by a recently created lake that provides electricity and irrigation water for the region. But before the waters shut down research, archaeologists found T-shaped pillars and animal images much like those Schmidt would later uncover at Göbekli Tepe. Similar pillars and images occurred in PPN settlements up to a hundred miles from Göbekli Tepe.

So we're not talking about a one-off but rather evidence of buildings 12,000 years ago.
No Fludd, though.
Off to read more.

I asked German architect and civil engineer Eduard Knoll, who works with Schmidt to preserve the site, how well designed the mounting system was for the central pillars. "Not," he said, shaking his head. "They hadn't yet mastered engineering."

Exit aliens?

 

[Andy_Ross]

By the Gothic era, prior to the Renaissance, painting and sculpture had become flat, symbolic, decidedly un-lifelike. The level of sophistication and technical skill had simply declined over the centuries, just as it appears to have happened at Gobekli Tepe with regard to the monumental pillar

Why do you say the level of skill had declined?
Artistic taste changes with time.

As for sunken civilisations what is now the North Sea was land in the last Ice Age, artifacts have been recovered by dredgers, fishing nets and divers that show it was widely populated. Seems the 'alternative' types ignore the real finds.

 

[pakeha]

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wo.../the-worlds-oldest-stone-temple-gobekli-tepe/

It’s quite possible the people that built these temples were the first ever wheat farmers as recent DNA analysis of modern domesticated wheat compared with wild wheat has shown that its DNA is closest in structure to wild wheat found in a mountain (Karacadağ) 20 miles away from the site, leading one to believe that this is where modern wheat was first domesticated. Domesticated rye 13,000 years old has been found just to the South in Syria, and the domestication of sheep goats and cattle is known to be atabout the 11,000 to 12,000 year mark in the Zagros, so it’s entirely possible these people were the early Turkish farmers and not hunter gatherers.

This seems to indicate these sites aren't the work of alien assisted hunter gatherers, but rather the work of agriculturists.
It's fantastic what DNA testing shows us, isn't it?

Oh, Maddparrot, I read the review.
I have the impression the author of that book had seen the movie Stargate several times too many.

 

[Maddparrot]

Just found another thing on Michael Tellinger.
I just have to say .... wow!
The things he writes are really insane.
http://www.dottal.org/slave_species_of_god.htm
A couple of quotes:

The question of who we are and where we come from takes on a new meaning as we discover that our DNA may have been manipulated by our CREATOR some 200 000 years ago to produce a less intelligent ‘primitive species'.

I love this one, super powers!

The question begs, which unimaginable characteristics or super abilities are the dormant parts of the genome not controlling?

 

[pakeha]

Edge, I'm so glad you brought up the Nabta Playa site in your post
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7325268&postcount=81.

See
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5193078&postcount=9

As I mentioned then, no evidence of a Fludd.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Just found another thing on Michael Tellinger.
I just have to say .... wow!
The things he writes are really insane.
http://www.dottal.org/slave_species_of_god.htm
A couple of quotes:


I love this one, super powers!

This thread (at least the parts related to the OP) reminds me of In Search Of... .

 

[Marduk]

how's about this for old

how's about this for solid orthodox dating techniques

"We have found something truly remarkable, truly unique, and most likely the oldest manmade structure on earth," he said of the South African site dubbed "Adam's Calendar" which his research indicates is around 75,000 years old. According to Tellinger, the site was "a circular structure, like Stonehenge" that featured rocks which aligned with "the cardinal geographical points of Earth" along with the solstices and equinoxes. He explained that the dating of the site was derived from the fact that it did not match up with the contemporary position of the Sun, thus via archaoastronomy they determined the age of the monument.

In case you were wondering which scholars support this incredible discovery, run to the last sentence

Speculating on what the site had been used for, Tellinger noted that four separate psychics had all given the same reading for "Adam's Calendar." He said that these consistent statements said that the area was the oldest structure on Earth, at least 75,000 years old, the site of much human sacrifice, and that it is "an active portal for extraterrestrials." He theorized that this portal may have been used by ETs in gold mining operations in the distant past, as the work of Zecharia Sitchen suggests.

back from the dead, yayay go gO GO Zombie Sitchen

I am only one.
Be back later though, hey Marduky I knew you would show up, How ya doing?

nonono, that should be "there can be, only one",

if you're going to write sci fi all the time, at least try to keep your sci fi quotes correctly worded

 

[Dinwar]

“There are magnificent buildings in the world – the pyramids of Egypt, Stonehenge, wonderful temples in South American rainforests, which were created at least 6-15,000 years ago. Who are their authors? The world doesn’t know,” he says

So......still no real information about dating methods, other than one archaeoastronomy example. Given with no error bars. So in other words, nothing. Got it.

 

[Maddparrot]

This thread (at least the parts related to the OP) reminds me of In Search Of... .

It reminds me of that as well.
Especially the bit where he says mankind was made to mine gold in order to save the atmosphere of the aliens.

 

[pakeha]

Along with Göbekli Tepe and Nevalı Çori there's also Çayönü,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayönü
another early community centre.
This is fascinating subject.
Apparently Çayönü shows the earliest known domestication of the pig and the cultivation of grain.
Almonds and pistachios, too.
They've even discovered the houses built so long ago by those early farmers.
No evidence of aliens, though.

edited to add-
Thanks, Marduk, for that dating!

Tellinger noted that four separate psychics had all given the same reading for "Adam's Calendar."

That's settled, then.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Who are their authors? The world doesn’t know,” he says.

 

[BaaBaa]

Please make sure you cover this one.

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It's one of my favourites.

I always thought R'lyeh was bigger.

 

[Akhenaten]

I always thought R'lyeh was bigger.

Me too. I think the water must have shrunk it.

 

[catsmate]

Bets on Bimini Road making it in here?

Probably. It's a favourite of the kooks.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I always thought R'lyeh was bigger.

That's just the pro shop where Homer met his spirit guide.

 

[Akhenaten]

Mix equal parts R'lyeh, Chichen Itza and the Simpsons, add an underwater location and Voila!

Instant ancient religious structure, JREF style.

Eat your hearts out, Woosters!

 

[ddt]

Mix equal parts R'lyeh, Chichen Itza and the Simpsons, add an underwater location and Voila!

Instant ancient religious structure, JREF style.

Eat your hearts out, Woosters!

Did someone say underwater temple?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalennia

Nehalennia had two sanctuaries or shrines, embellished with numerous altars: one at Domburg on the island of Walcheren, and another at Colijnsplaat on the shore of the Oosterschelde. Both are now submerged beneath the North Sea due to the floods and changing seas in Southern Netherlands.

Nothing special, methinks.

 

[edge]

They say ancient temple erected by hunter-gatherers in the 9th millennium BCE.

Well, that sounds far fetched.
Unless food was so plentiful to get you're not going to have time to do that and build a monument.
Doesn't make sense, think about it, plus gather everything else like firewood, make weapons and all that goes with living like that.
Think about today in Africa, even where it is plentiful with those weapons?
I don't see it the more people working the more you need, plus water.

 

[edge]

And with these seemingly magical billions of years old technologies they travel to earth to make bronze alloy clips and stone structures?

I don't think they are going to bring ore with them?
We would do the same on another planet heck even the moon, there has to be something there to work with to begin with.