The Official Alex Jones Thread!

[dudalb]

Jones' income from Infowars averaged $53.2 million in annual gross revenue between 2015 and 2022. He claimed at his August 2022 defamation trial, that his net worth is no more than $5 million, but a financial forensic expert estimated that he and his companies were worth $135 - $270 million.

Here is what I would do if I were offering advice for the families'

1. Take all of it, and give it the families, make Jones really bankrupt - take every last penny so that he lives out the rest of his miserable life in poverty.

2. Suggest to the families that they settle the rest of the debt with Jones on some conditions...

a. Infowars is shut down immediately and permanently.

b. Ownership of the Infowars brand, the registered trademark for Infowars, and the website and domains, are all transferred into the ownership of the families (so that no-one else can start up under that name). All other Jones' brands go to the families too.

c. Jones' agrees to stay out of public life for the rest of his life... no interviews, no announcements, no public statements, no attendance at protests or political rallies. If he writes any books, all proceeds from sales go to the families. Violation of these conditions in any way will immediately void the settlement, and the families will be able to go after him for the remaining judgement.

I admit, surprised Jones is worth that much. I had no idea Infowars could make the much money. I always though his bragging (before he lost his case in court) about his wealth was just that : bragging.
But I agree; Sieze every penny of his wealth for his victims.

 

[arthwollipot]

I admit, surprised Jones is worth that much. I had no idea Infowars could make the much money. I always though his bragging (before he lost his case in court) about his wealth was just that : bragging.
But I agree; Sieze every penny of his wealth for his victims.

He makes his money selling useless health supplements to his adoring fans.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

He also has/had lucrative ads from gold sellers, where his listeners had the unique opportunity to buy gold at vastly inflated prices.
He also sold his own overpriced coins.

 

[crescent]

There's a ton of chatter on social media right now claiming that "the feds" are about to seize Jones' recording studio. He claims to have spent the night there to try to head them off.

It's not the feds of course, he lost the defamation case in state court (Connecticut). But inaccuracy isn't just a feature of Jones's schtick - it is the entire point of it all.

He apparently gave away much of his assets, including the recording studio, as a means to avoid forfeiture. But he keeps using it all, still has physical possession.

But if they do seize the studio, he claims that will be the end of Infowars. Any teenage kid with a cell phone can do a live show these days, but Jones apparently needs a multimillion dollar recording studio. All else is censorship and fascism.

 

[gabeygoat]

He's been threatening to shut down Infowars every few months for almost a decade now.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Too bad, how sad, never mind.

Sieze it anyway. The local sheriff should be able to arrest and detain any illegal trespasser. And if it is the end of Infowars, boo hoo, no great loss.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Dibs on the desk!

 

[gabeygoat]

Dibs on the desk!

Hey! that's for the Knowledge Fight guys!

 

[The Great Zaganza]

So Jones had a total freakout, thought he was defending the Alamo, only no one showed up to fight him.
He called up his Super Friends (Bannon, Fynn, Stone), but it's not clear that they will come next time he cries Wolf.

Also, he was incredibly drunk and had to throw up.

 

[Norman Alexander]

So Jones had a total freakout, thought he was defending the Alamo, only no one showed up to fight him.
He called up his Super Friends (Bannon, Fynn, Stone), but it's not clear that they will come next time he cries Wolf.

Also, he was incredibly drunk and had to throw up.

Again.

 

[newyorkguy]

He's been threatening to shut down Infowars every few months for almost a decade now.

This time it may happen. Widely reported yesterday that Jones has agreed to liquidate his assets in order to begin to satisfy the judgement Sandy Hook families were awarded.

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has asked a U.S. judge to convert his bankruptcy into a Chapter 7 liquidation, giving up on an effort to settle massive legal judgments related to his lies about the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre...A Chapter 7 liquidation would not allow Jones to escape paying the legal judgments, but it offers a streamlined procedure for selling his assets under the supervision of a court-appointed trustee. NBC News news link

On Tuesday Jones told his TV show viewers that the Sandy Hook families were trying to shut down his broadcasts with "a made up kangaroo court debt."

 

[Norman Alexander]

This time it may happen. Widely reported yesterday that Jones has agreed to liquidate his assets in order to begin to satisfy the judgement Sandy Hook families were awarded.

The proceeds will make barely a tiny fraction. I guess that's what he is counting on - cents in the dollar.

On Tuesday Jones told his TV show viewers that the Sandy Hook families were trying to shut down his broadcasts with "a made up kangaroo court debt."

Interesting, but also DILLIGAF Every single time one of these right-wing conspiracy muck-raking ****-heads loses a court case, it's "all rigged", "a corrupt judge", "a kangaroo court", etc. Like they think justice happens only when they win.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

In a good, capitalist society, justice should be a luxury commodity only available to the rich.
Why can't some people understand that?

 

[JayUtah]

The proceeds will make barely a tiny fraction. I guess that's what he is counting on - cents in the dollar.

The judge ruled that the defamation judgments are not dischargeable because they arise from Jones' intentional and malicious activity. So what happens is that he's broke and still a billion dollars in debt. The plaintiffs are entitled to what he has now, which is why the liquidation is occurring. But they're also entitled to what he will have later.

Every single time one of these right-wing conspiracy muck-raking ****-heads loses a court case, it's "all rigged", "a corrupt judge", "a kangaroo court", etc. Like they think justice happens only when they win.

It takes a special kind of dishonesty to spin a default judgment to sound like he was railroaded. Defamation is fairly hard to prove in court. Almost any defense would have been significantly better than, "Okay, take all my stuff."

 

[Norman Alexander]

Maybe all his stuff is worthless crap anyway.

 

[jimbob]

The judge ruled that the defamation judgments are not dischargeable because they arise from Jones' intentional and malicious activity. So what happens is that he's broke and still a billion dollars in debt. The plaintiffs are entitled to what he has now, which is why the liquidation is occurring. But they're also entitled to what he will have later.



It takes a special kind of dishonesty to spin a default judgment to sound like he was railroaded. Defamation is fairly hard to prove in court. Almost any defense would have been significantly better than, "Okay, take all my stuff."

Imagine I have posted the SpongeBob love heart rainbow gif in response to the first paragraph

 

[newyorkguy]

...It takes a special kind of dishonesty...

Look it up in Webster's:

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[Mojo]

This time it may happen. Widely reported yesterday that Jones has agreed to liquidate his assets in order to begin to satisfy the judgement Sandy Hook families were awarded.

On Tuesday Jones told his TV show viewers that the Sandy Hook families were trying to shut down his broadcasts with "a made up kangaroo court debt."

Did the judgment include a prohibition on making further false statements about the plaintiffs?

 

[JayUtah]

Did the judgment include a prohibition on making further false statements about the plaintiffs?

No. That never happens, and would probably be unconstitutional if it did. Prior restraint on future speech is difficult to get past the First Amendment. The way it's supposed to work is that each time the plaintiff repeats those same false statements, you have to sue again and get another punitive judgment. But as long as it was the same false statement, you don't have to prove the statement was false and defamatory. Collateral estoppel lets you reference the factual and legal findings of the prior case.

This is what happened in the E. Jean Carroll defamation case in New York against Donald Trump. You notice that the punitive damages went way up in the second case, because Trump evidently wasn't punished enough to stop making those false statements.

Eventually the Sandy Hook plaintiffs could do what E. Jean Carroll is now doing: seek injunctive relief. After it becomes clear that the defendant is not going to stop repeating statements that have been properly adjudicated false and defamatory, a judge can issue an injunction prohibiting the speech. That's the level of jurisprudence that has to occur in America before prior restraint can surmount the First Amendment.

With such an injunction in place, if the defendant repeats the same false statements, the plaintiffs can file a motion for a ruling of constructive contempt of court for violating the order. The judge issues an order to show cause, Jones has to appear in court and explain why he shouldn't be held in contempt. The judge can order any remedy for contempt of court in that jurisdiction, up to and including incarceration.

Future false statements alleging something else cannot be covered by any such order, though.

 

[SpitfireIX]

I'm a little surprised that Jones filed the petition. I would have expected him to keep rearranging the deck chairs until the court forced him to act.