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The Official Alex Jones Thread!

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Don't forget Canola Oil was invented as a fuel.
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There was a website I saw many years ago on which a woman claimed that canola oil was deadly poison that would literally slowly rot your flesh off your bones. Part of her argument was that the rapeseed plant is related to the mustard plant ... from which the deadly mustard gas used in World War I was derived. So many things wrong with that.

EDIT: And according to Google there are still people making the erroneous mustard gas connection.
 
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Sandy Hook families’ plan to liquidate Alex Jones' estate hearing in March

https://www.newstimes.com/news/article/sandy-hook-family-liquidate-alex-jones-advances-18682191.php

"The vote in favor of the family’s plan for Jones to sell everything required by law sets up a confirmation hearing before Judge Christopher Lopez in late March, where both sides will argue the merits of their plan to resolve Jones’ debt to the families.

Jones’ attorneys have counter-offered a plan that would pay Sandy Hook families $55 million over 10 years."​


Nah, ah! Liquidate all of his assets, including those he craftily carved off to his family.
 
55 million over 10 years? He's offering them MORE delay? I don't know who's worse, Alex Jones or Trump.
 
Orphia Nay said:
55 million over 10 years? He's offering them MORE delay? I don't know who's worse, Alex Jones or Trump.
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Jones' income from Infowars averaged $53.2 million in annual gross revenue between 2015 and 2022. He claimed at his August 2022 defamation trial, that his net worth is no more than $5 million, but a financial forensic expert estimated that he and his companies were worth $135 - $270 million.

Here is what I would do if I were offering advice for the families'

1. Take all of it, and give it the families, make Jones really bankrupt - take every last penny so that he lives out the rest of his miserable life in poverty.

2. Suggest to the families that they settle the rest of the debt with Jones on some conditions...

a. Infowars is shut down immediately and permanently.

b. Ownership of the Infowars brand, the registered trademark for Infowars, and the website and domains, are all transferred into the ownership of the families (so that no-one else can start up under that name). All other Jones' brands go to the families too.

c. Jones' agrees to stay out of public life for the rest of his life... no interviews, no announcements, no public statements, no attendance at protests or political rallies. If he writes any books, all proceeds from sales go to the families. Violation of these conditions in any way will immediately void the settlement, and the families will be able to go after him for the remaining judgement.
 
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And to make things simple, there should be no provision about Jones having to shut up. Just like Trump, there should be a clear understanding that he will get sued again and again if he keeps on defaming people in this horrible way, but to put it into a deal would make it easy to get the deal appealed.
 
smartcooky said:
1. Take all of it, and give it the families, make Jones really bankrupt - take every last penny so that he lives out the rest of his miserable life in poverty.
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Sadly, that will never happen. His wealthy supporters will always guarantee that he lives comfortably, even if not at the level to which he's become accustomed.

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c. Jones' agrees to stay out of public life for the rest of his life... no interviews, no announcements, no public statements, no attendance at protests or political rallies. If he writes any books, all proceeds from sales go to the families. Violation of these conditions in any way will immediately void the settlement, and the families will be able to go after him for the remaining judgement.
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Apart from the fact that he'll never agree to such a condition, why should he, if all of your other conditions have been implemented? What would he have to lose at that point?
 
Jones doesn't know how to live with less than $20,000 a month, not counting houses and cars. Cocaine isn't cheap.

If the verdict leaves him mostly destitute, I expect he will drink himself to death - which will take a lot, given that he is regularly drunk on his show.
 
Can I offer some refinements?
smartcooky said:
Jones' income from Infowars averaged $53.2 million in annual gross revenue between 2015 and 2022. He claimed at his August 2022 defamation trial, that his net worth is no more than $5 million, but a financial forensic expert estimated that he and his companies were worth $135 - $270 million.
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Remember that Jones is on the hook for $1.5 billion. So use that to advantage.

Here is what I would do if I were offering advice for the families'

1. Take all of it, and give it the families, make Jones really bankrupt - take every last penny that he owns now so that he lives out the rest of his miserable life in poverty.
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That includes cars, houses, any other assets, and everything he tried to illegally offload to other people (those transactions to be nullified).
2. Suggest to the families that they settle the rest of the debt with Jones on some conditions...
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NO! Make it work for the rest of Jones' miserable life, and also for his estate when dead.

a. Infowars is shut down immediately and permanently.
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Actually... Take it over, but start broadcasting all the objective truth that Jones refused to tell, or simply lied. But don't tell Jones' erstwhile viewers, who will get a "wonderful" awakening...perhaps even learn something!

b. Ownership of the Infowars brand, the registered trademark for Infowars, and the website and domains, are all transferred into the ownership of the families (so that no-one else can start up under that name). All other Jones' brands go to the families too.
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Yep. And prosecute ferociously anyone trying to have anything remotely like that trademarked name.

c. Jones' agrees to stay out of public life for the rest of his life... no interviews, no announcements, no public statements, no attendance at protests or political rallies. If he writes any books, all proceeds from sales go to the families. Violation of these conditions in any way will immediately void the settlement, and the families will be able to go after him for the remaining judgement.
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Silencing Jones won't be possible. But garnishing his income will. See the note above about $1.5 billion? Make the agreement that Jones may not receive more than minimum wage equivalent from any of his earnings (tied to official minimum wage rate), until he has paid back his outstanding debt. Anything he earns beyond minimum wage goes to paying his debt. Anyone "gifts" him stuff will have it seized, assessed, sold, and the proceeds go towards his debt.

Frankly, Jones can go live in a cheap-ass trailer in a critter-ridden backwoods and eat cat food for the rest of his miserable life.
 
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Abstractly speaking, the point of judgments for torts is punishment. For defamation, it's hard to put a dollar figure on actual damages—"The plaintiff will need $2,740,000 to restore his reputation." Where does that calculation occur?

Sadly, the American judiciary has watered down the notion of punitive damages to almost comical levels. Seems the billionaires and corporations really hate it when they have to pay for all their shenanigans. The point of punitive action is to hurt an actor enough to make him think about not doing it again. The cap of roughly 3X actual damages is ludicrous. No, it's not at all substantive justice if Jones only has to pay a pittance and then keep going. We don't want ruining other people's lives to just be a business expense for him.

That said, the bankruptcy side of things still remains slightly fair. Bankruptcy courts look very skeptically at attempts to discharge what amounts to punishment for deliberate or negligent malfeasance. The underlying philosophy of bankruptcy is to sever the financial problems of a company from what may be its core of profitable intellectual property, know-how, concrete assets, and market share. The premise is that the company deserves to survive and return to profitability. If what makes a company unprofitable is its tendency to commit actionable torts repeatedly, then there is less incentive for a bankruptcy arbitration to return it to normal operations.
 
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