The Obama Deception

[Gangularis]

Couldn't one say that how both parties ignore the corruption of the Federal Reserve results in both parties serving the same master? That master being the Fed?

Now I have no idea what's really going on. I don't know nearly enough about economics to say who's doing things in a corrupt way, but... After watching "Fiat Empire" I'm strongly of the opinion that America is being run by a corrupt system.

So... what are your thoughts on that?

How is the master the Fed? If you believe that Congress allowed the Fed to be created, shouldn't you also believe that congress has the ability to kill the Fed? Thus congress is the master of the Fed..

Really, if you do a search in this forum, you'll find tons of threads about the Federal Reserve conspiracy theories.

Thanks for joining pacific, and thanks for offering friendly debate. I can tell that you're only interested in finding truth.

 

[pacificflows]

Hey man, thanks for inviting me. I've already got a taste of the flaming I expected for having the sheer audacity to even entertain notion that all is not as it seems. But that's cool.

Maybe saying that their "master" is the Fed is a little much... But congress, as I have come to understand it, didn't really create them. At least not in the sense that it usually creates things...

I hope I'm not bringing up another unproven nut-case theory by mentioning this, but have you ever heard of Jekyll Island?

 

[JoeyDonuts]

I think the idea of the U.S. Government serving a "shadowy master" of any sort doesn't hold a lot of water. Call it the "Fed," Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, whatever. If there is a shadowy hand manipulating our government, he's simultaneously brilliant and incompetent which seems to be a common thread in most of these far-reaching "evil government" CTs.

 

[Caustic Logic]

The video's values is, what? This guy is no different. The same core corruption exists exactly as much as it did before. This is an important reminder, as Obama did seem pretty 'changy.' No, no, the NWO is quite happy and safe, and let's keep up the paralyzing paranoia. Anyone see Be Kind Rewind? Awesome movie - had a word that works here, tho out of context: "paranyzing." IIRC.

Anyway, to the extent this stuff is generally true or vaguely like the truth, the assessment's probably correct. Whoopty doo.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

CL, haven't we talked about you hitting the absinthe before posting?

 

[Gangularis]

Hey man, thanks for inviting me. I've already got a taste of the flaming I expected for having the sheer audacity to even entertain notion that all is not as it seems. But that's cool.

Maybe saying that their "master" is the Fed is a little much... But congress, as I have come to understand it, didn't really create them. At least not in the sense that it usually creates things...

I hope I'm not bringing up another unproven nut-case theory by mentioning this, but have you ever heard of Jekyll Island?

Pacific, you should probably make specific threads to some of your questions if there aren't already threads about them. Just let people know that you're only here for informed debate, and to learn. If you don't run around, with your head cut off, most people will be polite, and not flame you. There are plenty of people here that used to believe in the 9/11 inside job conspiracy theory, and the NWO conspiracy theory, and even a few that might still believe in it.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

16:10 "They" gave us Obama to pacify us, because we were going to go into a revolution, but by putting a "black man" into office, it pacified us back into nonresistance against a new world order.

Honestly, Alex Jones is a panoid moron. For a good laugh, watch his Watchmen review where he freely admits he doesn't read comics, watched the movie once, bought the book and flipped through it, but somehow recieved a perfectly accurate epiphany that it's an NWO plot. Plus, he has the most unlettered mispronunciation of "Ozymandias"

But, on topic, did he actually put scare quotes around "black man?"

 

[Gangularis]

But, on topic, did he actually put scare quotes around "black man?"

That quote is largely from KRS-1 who was telling us that the NWO gave us a "black man" to pacify us from revolution... but I have absolutely no doubt that that's the exact same thing that Jones believes.

 

[Brainster]

Is it wrong to find this suspicious?

They are associations of people who have similar occupations. It's called networking when businesspeople do it, it's only suspicious to those who start with the assumption that they're plotting something nefarious.

 

[Roadtoad]

You know, for all the concern regarding the NWO, one would think Jones and crew would be arguing for smaller, decentralized government. But the exact opposite is true.

So, yes, Jones is a paranoid moron. And what I said earlier still stands.

 

[Neally]

But congress, as I have come to understand it, didn't really create them.

Actually they did with the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Oh and despite all the claims of the CT regarding the FED being unconstitutional, nearly 100 years later the Supreme Court has yet to find that to be the case. Of course the Supreme Court could be part of the conspiracy...

 

[TK0001]

It sounds like you watched the first five minutes, and shut it off.

Guilty.

 

[Brainster]

Kick. Let me point out that according to Little Green Footballs, this movie is now being advertised on Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. I saw that 9-11 Truthers were also pushing free dvds of the movie at the Tea Parties on 4-15-09.

Any help I could get debunking this would be appreciated; as it happens SLC has a pretty high Google ranking on "Obama Deception" so we're sort of designated hitters on this nuttery.

 

[Infoexcavator]

Kick. Let me point out that this movie is now being advertised on Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. I saw that 9-11 Truthers were also pushing free dvds of the movie at the Tea Parties on 4-15-09.

I think it was yesterday that Alex said on air that Ted Anderson (owner of Genesis Communications) had bought air time for the ads, supposedly it is quite cheap right now because of the shape of the economy.

I had to edit your message a bit because the board would not allow me to post urls.

 

[Brainster]

Here's a pretty good editorial by a college student at Missouri:

Here's the problem with conspiracy theories: Jones and his ilk know the sinister conclusion they're after from the onset. There are so many bits of data about the world out there that, in an obsessive haze, they can pluck convenient "dots" to suit their hypotheses and connect them in any damn way they please. These "truths" conspiracy theorists concoct for themselves -- typically apocalyptic ones -- offer a sense of orientation in an overwhelming world and help them sleep better at night. Fittingly, conspiracy-types often accuse skeptics -- people who're savvy enough to check out the facts behind the conspiracies -- of turning a blind eye to the "evil" so they themselves can rest easier.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

You know, for all the concern regarding the NWO, one would think Jones and crew would be arguing for smaller, decentralized government. But the exact opposite is true.

Huh, what?
Jones and crew DO want smaller, decentralized government...Why do you think Ron Paul is so popular?

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Bump for somewhat interesting development.

Occassionally I will listen to Michael Savage to see how long I can stand it. Usually not more than a few minutes before I throw the Foreigner CD back in. Anyway, did you know that this film is being advertised on Savage's radio program?

Maybe I'm not as familiar with Savage's listener base, but do you all think there's some overlap with AJ's target demographic?

 

[Greediguts]

Bump for somewhat interesting development.

Occassionally I will listen to Michael Savage to see how long I can stand it. Usually not more than a few minutes before I throw the Foreigner CD back in. Anyway, did you know that this film is being advertised on Savage's radio program?

Maybe I'm not as familiar with Savage's listener base, but do you all think there's some overlap with AJ's target demographic?

It was advertised on Mancow's radio program too.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

It was advertised on Mancow's radio program too.

A bit of digging reveals they are both on the same network:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_Radio_Network

So in that regard, it doesn't necessarily imply tacit acceptance of Alex Jones' philosophy by any one particular host or personality - but rather the traffic/marketing department saw no reason to turn down AJ's ad revenue. In this economy, they can hardly be faulted for that, but still - given the tone of some of the hosts/personalities on that network - you'd think there would be one or two that flat-out loathe Alex Jones for no other reason than his ridiculous military-bashing antics.

Another example of far right-wing conservative networks not doing their homework.

 

[Brainster]

A bit of digging reveals they are both on the same network:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_Radio_Network

So in that regard, it doesn't necessarily imply tacit acceptance of Alex Jones' philosophy by any one particular host or personality - but rather the traffic/marketing department saw no reason to turn down AJ's ad revenue. In this economy, they can hardly be faulted for that, but still - given the tone of some of the hosts/personalities on that network - you'd think there would be one or two that flat-out loathe Alex Jones for no other reason than his ridiculous military-bashing antics.

Another example of far right-wing conservative networks not doing their homework.

The irony as I keep pointing out is that The Obama Deception is really aimed at far-left Democrats who are Truthers, to convince them that Obama is just like Bush, a message that really won't sell with most conservative radio listeners. But of course the name "Obama Deception" gets people to buy it.

As for the conservative talk show nets accepting the ad dollars, nobody is turning down ad dollars in 2009.