Merged The NPT (no planes theory) Discussed / Septemberclues

[Sabretooth]

So, the only explanation I've found is that the LC authors made that up.

you don't say!

 

[ktesibios]

First of all, there is such a thing as GPS. GPS was commercially available in 2001, and even if it was not installed in the planes in question, which would surprise me, they could easily have brought portable GPS on board with them, complete with waypoints etc.

Even with no GPS, there are other navigational aids on an airliner. Since they were certified pilots, they MUST have learned to use those.
Hans

the NTSB published a study of the use of autopilot and navigational aids on AA77 and UA93, based on informatin from the flight data recorders, which record autopilot settings and VOR receiver tuning:

Study of Autopilot, Navigation Equipment, and Fuel Consumption Activity
Based on United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77
Digital Flight Data Recorder Information

It shows that the hijackers did avail themselves of these labor-saving devices, using VOR to point the way to Washington and using the autopilot in heading mode to steer the planes in that direction.

Since no FDRs were recovered in New York we can't know just how the hijackers of AA11 and UA175 found their way to their targets, but even without electronic aids something like "fly south of east until you come to a river flowing from north to south. Turn right and fly south along the river. Keep your eyes peeled for a hazy dome of air pollution on the horizon." would probably have worked to find NYC.

 

[Corsair 115]

Even with no GPS, there are other navigational aids on an airliner.

VOR is one of those others. It's been around for over fifty years. Most PC flight sims will have it among the instruments you can use in the simulation.

 

[firecoins]

That is beyond the scope of this exercise. This is to focus on; planes or no planes and the reasons why either is the more rational choice.

WOW. It isn't rational to know where the passangers and crew of the "non planes" are? Really? These people were found at the crash sites dead along with the remains of the hijackers you say weren't there. Rational choice; the planes existed.

 

[George 152]

As to VFR navgation all you need is an aeronautical chart and the terrain.
Find where you are then where you want to go
whizz.wheel and protractor give you the compass course to fly and the ETA.
Thousands of pilots do this every day

 

[bill smith]

I think the evidence for no-planes may have been planted as a way to label no-plane Truthers as crazy thus dividing the Truth Movement and generally confusing the issue.

 

[Furcifer]

I think the evidence for no-planes may have been planted as a way to label no-plane Truthers as crazy thus dividing the Truth Movement and generally confusing the issue.

I think after 9 years people will try to rationalize just about anything to further their own twisted agendas.

But it doesn't matter what I think, it's all about what I can prove.

 

[bill smith]

I think after 9 years people will try to rationalize just about anything to further their own twisted agendas.

But it doesn't matter what I think, it's all about what I can prove.

No it's a matter of what people can be persuaded of. You are free to try and persuade them back if you can. It depends on the strength of the presentation.

Read my sig for some insight..

 

[Furcifer]

No it's a matter of what people can be persuaded of. You are free to try and persuade them back if you can. It depends on the strength of the presentation.

Read my sig for some insight..

Baby steps, I just took you off ignore a couple weeks ago. I'm not going to bother turning back on sig lines just yet.

It's a matter of critical thinking. You either have it and come to the proper conclusion based on the evidence or you don't and allow yourself to be persuaded. Not doubt it's the monkey on your back.

 

[Cobalt]

Is it 2006?

 

[bill smith]

Baby steps, I just took you off ignore a couple weeks ago. I'm not going to bother turning back on sig lines just yet.

It's a matter of critical thinking. You either have it and come to the proper conclusion based on the evidence or you don't and allow yourself to be persuaded. Not doubt it's the monkey on your back.

I think the best thing you could do is put me back on 'ignore' to be honest.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I think the evidence for no-planes may have been planted as a way to label no-plane Truthers as crazy thus dividing the Truth Movement and generally confusing the issue.

Which evidence? Is there any evidence for no planes at all?


Hans

 

[bill smith]

Which evidence? Is there any evidence for no planes at all?


Hans

If I showed you you would probably run off as debunkers usually do.

 

[MRC_Hans]

If I showed you you would probably run off as debunkers usually do.

I read that as "I don't have any".

But of course, English is not my first language.

Hans

 

[bill smith]

I read that as "I don't have any".

But of course, English is not my first language.

Hans

Uberhaupt..lol

 

[twinstead]

If by "run off" you mean "laugh hysterically", bill, then yes we would run off. It must be a language thing indeed.

 

[leftysergeant]

The idea that the planes "vaporized" was inserted into the meme by a terrorist sympathizer with some military experiencew, so the twoofers just assumed that he was telling them some solid scientific facts.

General Benton Partin explained the flash of white on impact at the Pentagon as the aluminum aircraft vaporizing.

To most of us non-morons with fire fighting experience, it looked more like a high-speed water balloon burst. The fact that the first sign of a fireball was just slightly larger than the limits of that hemisphere of white mist/light/vapor or whatever supports that it was jet fuel.

Partin was probably willing to side with the government on this one because he saw the Shrub and his merry morons as being more sympathetic toward the terrorists whom Partin would like them to lend some support, and was quite willing to pull from his underwear the same sort of evidence that he used to defend another of his favorite terorists in the Murrah bombing.

Partin is not one of the more loyal officers in America's armed forces.

 

[bill smith]

If by "run off" you mean "laugh hysterically", bill, then yes we would run off. It must be a language thing indeed.

But you always laugh hystericaly Twinstead- regardless. You have even adnitted as much in previous posts.

 

[triforcharity]

Ok, since the topic would be appropriate, please do so here Bill. Please show your evidence that proves the FAA and the NTSB, FBI, and the coroners of the respective states wrong.

I'll wait.......

 

[Furcifer]

I think the best thing you could do is put me back on 'ignore' to be honest.

But I've already watched every video at failblog.org