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The next war

Prepare for the next war, because, face it folks, it's only a matter of time before Iran develops a nuclear weapon.

We couldn't stop the Russians, the CHinese, Or any one else, what makes them think that Iran will voluntarily stop?


We can (maybe) slow the process down, but it's foolish to think we can stop it.

I'm sorry, but saying that military action would be "on the table" actually doesn't mean anything.

In fact, I believe that's the policy already. It just means they haven't ruled it out, not that they will definitely use military action.
 
what makes them think that Iran will voluntarily stop?

I heard someone making the argument that Iran might try to get all the components but stay just inside the NNPT by not assembling them.

At any rate, I hope nuclear proliferation to yet another country is not a reason to go to war. It hasn't been in the past.
 
I honestly don't think that using a nuke will automatically lead to global nuclear warfare. I think we learned enough from the cold war that none of the big nuclear powers are interested in Mutually Assured Destruction. I would expect retaliation, possibly even nuclear retaliation, from the country that was attacked, but I don't think the big boys would automatically jump in with their bombs.

That's one reason why North Korea is not as scary as Iran. China holds their leash, and China most certainly does NOT want nuclear war. If NK used one, China would stand aside and say, "they're all yours boys".

And frankly, the US could pretty much wipe out any country except Russia, China or India using only conventional bombs.

Of course, all of this is going to change. The genie is out of the bottle, and eventually everybody who can afford one will have a nuke. The only think that is going to prevent at least a limited nuclear war is if the US and everybody else agrees to destroy their nukes and quash any country who tries to get around the ban. That ain't gonna happen soon, and a lot of it is because the US likes being the biggest bully on the block.
 
What if they give one to one of their terrorist proxies to detonate in a US harbor, like New York or LA?

How will we know Iran gave them the nuke, and it didn't come from N. Korea? The more rogue states (and Pakistan may well become one) with a bomb, the more plausible deniability they can count on.

Frankly, I think US policy should be if we or our allies suffer a nuclear attack by terrorists both N. Korea and Iran get smoked. Much like it was made clear to the USSR that if any of their client states attacked the US with nukes the USSR gets it too. Such is the price of joining the nuclear club.

How do we know that if a nuclear bomb explodes in the Port of New Orleans, it didn’t come from Israel? I’m suggesting a false flag operation by Israel to blame Iran.
 
Why did they bomb a Jewsish center in Argentina? Why did they plot terrorist attacks against embassies in the United States? Why do they fund, arm, and train terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah? Why do they hang homosexuals? Why do they stone rape victims to death? Etc etc.


Stalin and Mao didn't belong to an apocalyptic death cult.


Tell us all about it, this claim has been made here before and no one has been able to explain how we would trace the origin using isotopes.


I'm sure you would be devastated.

Has Israel been conducting sabotage and assassination operations inside of Iran?
 
Yeah, let's just play right into the cold, dead hands of Bin Laden: over-reacting to terrorist attacks.

Yeah, that wasn't bin Laden's plan. He didn't want us to "over-react", he wanted us to retreat. And history is unkinder to nations which under-react to violence against them.

Kerry was right when he said we need to bring terrorism back down to "nuisance" levels.

And letting Iran get nukes will make that much, much harder to do.

You're never going to stop people from murdering each other.

Perfection was never the point. But killing the people with capacity and will to do more than "nuisance" terrorism helps quite a bit.
 
To be fair, North Korea is a special case.

They already had a kind of deterrent that made invading them not an option:

And I suppose one could say what they did have is almost as important as what they didn't have.

Magz:
How do we know that if a nuclear bomb explodes in the Port of New Orleans, it didn’t come from Israel? I’m suggesting a false flag operation by Israel to blame Iran.

Israel would never do such a thing. But if they did, I'm sure they would have a good reason.

Ziggurat:
Yeah, that wasn't bin Laden's plan. He didn't want us to "over-react", he wanted us to retreat. And history is unkinder to nations which under-react to violence against them.

Clearly you've studied your empires. No country has ever regretted invading Afghanistan.

And letting Iran get nukes will make that much, much harder to do.

And maybe, just maybe, we should not have further incentivized their pursuit of that capability. Maybe.

Perfection was never the point. But killing the people with capacity and will to do more than "nuisance" terrorism helps quite a bit.

Which has been working out brilliantly. Remember how we started up those wars and then terrorism declined?
 
Yeah, that wasn't bin Laden's plan. He didn't want us to "over-react", he wanted us to retreat.

as I understood it the plan was to bankrupt by dragging into un-winnable endless wars.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/05/02/dont_get_cocky_america

One lesson bin Laden learned from the war against the Soviets was the importance of his enemy's economy. The Soviet Union didn't just withdraw from Afghanistan in ignominious defeat, but the Soviet empire itself collapsed soon thereafter, in late 1991. Thus, bin Laden thought that he hadn't just bested one of the world's superpowers on the battlefield, but had actually played an important role in its demise. It is indisputable that the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan did not directly collapse the Soviet Union; the most persuasive connection that can be drawn between that war and the Soviet empire's dissolution is through the costs imposed by the conflict.

Indeed, bin Laden has spoken of how he used "guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for ten years, until it went bankrupt." He has compared the United States to the Soviet Union on numerous occasions -- and these comparisons have been explicitly economic. For example, in October 2004 bin Laden said that just as the Arab fighters and Afghan mujahidin had destroyed Russia economically, al Qaeda was now doing the same to the United States, "continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy." Similarly, in a September 2007 video message, bin Laden claimed that "thinkers who study events and happenings" were now predicting the American empire's collapse. He gloated, "The mistakes of Brezhnev are being repeated by Bush."
 
Frankly, I think US policy should be if we or our allies suffer a nuclear attack by terrorists both N. Korea and Iran get smoked.

Much like it was made clear to the USSR that if any of their client states attacked the US with nukes the USSR gets it too.

Such is the price of joining the nuclear club.

frankly I think anyone proposing to address the murder of innocents, by murdering many thousands more innocents, deserves to be sitting on top of the first one when it goes off.
 
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How do we know that if a nuclear bomb explodes in the Port of New Orleans, it didn’t come from Israel? I’m suggesting a false flag operation by Israel to blame Iran.

that would be a CT though and in the realms of the purely delusional.

of course it was the rag heads and lets nuke N Korea too while we're at it.

ffs.
 
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And maybe, just maybe, we should not have further incentivized their pursuit of that capability. Maybe.

Oh, please. They have plenty of incentive on their own. You know, it isn't even always about us. They have other enemies too.

Which has been working out brilliantly. Remember how we started up those wars and then terrorism declined?

Actually, it has worked. Have we been hit since by another 9/11? No. Hell, have we been hit since by another embassy bombing? Again, no. Al Qaeda use to hit us every couple of years. Not anymore.
 

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