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The next war

MaGZ said:
Has Israel been conducting sabotage and assassination operations inside of Iran?
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Probably, as they should be doing. A nuclear Iran is a direct threat to their safety, security and sovereignty.

The US should do all it can to support any action that leads to the destruction of Iran's nuclear program and all it's associated assets.
 
Originally Posted by kevsta

get out of other people's countries and mind your own business ?
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Any nation that makes itself a threat to peace, freedom and justice in the world IS our business, as it should be of all great nations.

And it doesn't take a huge army...just take the shackles off of the CIA and let their wet-work boys get back to doing what they do best: arranging "accidents" for nasty little pieces of crap like the "little man from Iran" and his fellow wack-jobs.
 
Muldur said:
Probably, as they should be doing. A nuclear Iran is a direct threat to their safety, security and sovereignty.
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How is it a direct threat?


Muldur said:
Any nation that makes itself a threat to peace, freedom and justice in the world IS our business, as it should be of all great nations.
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Israel is widely regarded as one of the world's biggest threats to peace, freedom and justice. Should the CIA be there "arranging accidents"?
 
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Ziggurat said:
Because so far there haven't been any willing purveyors of actual weapons. The risk is too high, the reward is too low, and there just haven't been many players in the game.
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That's encouraging.

I wasn't sure what happened to the Russian nukes after the USSR fell apart.
 
Ziggurat said:
Because so far there haven't been any willing purveyors of actual weapons. The risk is too high, the reward is too low, and there just haven't been many players in the game.
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Pakistan is the closest - they sold tech to North Korea - but tech only , I don't think even they would be stupid enough to sell nukes.
 
Muldur said:
Any nation that makes itself a threat to peace, freedom and justice in the world IS our business, as it should be of all great nations.

And it doesn't take a huge army...just take the shackles off of the CIA and let their wet-work boys get back to doing what they do best: arranging "accidents" for nasty little pieces of crap like the "little man from Iran" and his fellow wack-jobs.
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Well, the problem with the first sentence is, what are the criteria for direct U.S. involvement, and how far is it supposed to extend? Ground wars? Air strikes? IMO Saudi Arabia is a far more repressive regime than Iran. Is it enough for a government to be a threat to its own people?

And, with the second part, if you're referring to Ahmadinejad, killing him would be counterproductive. He has no power and is not well-liked, but if killed he would become a martyr. Arguably, CIA involvement in Iran 60 years ago produced a worse result for the U.S. in that it installed the Shah, setting up some long-simmering resentments that culminated in 1979 when we took him in after the revolution.

Ordinary Iranians are in my experience not anti-American, and they're not all that fond of their government. But they do have a strong sense of national pride and would not take kindly to overt meddling. As far as covert meddling - it's not even clear who you would "take out," if that's the goal.
 
Minoosh said:
But what I really wanted to say was, sorry about your cat.
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thanks for the reminder....
wildcat, i meant to pass on my deepest and most heartfelt condolences on your loss.
i live with four wonderful kitties and they are very dear to me.
i understand the depth of your loss, but was oblivious to it in the forum while you were going through it.
sorry this was not more timely.
 
Muldur said:
Any nation that makes itself a threat to peace, freedom and justice in the world IS our business, as it should be of all great nations.
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That is an extremely subjective call. Is there a checklist for what constitutes a "threat to peace"? How much peace does it have to threaten? A villiage? An ethnic minority? Another country? If the population is rebelling against a brutal dictator who has, for the most part, kept things peaceful by using an iron hand, are the rebels a threat to peace?

While I agree with you in broad general terms, the devil is in the details. GW Bush called Iraq a threat to peace. Turns out, the US invasion was a greater threat to peace.
 
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Muldur said:
Any nation that makes itself a threat to peace, freedom and justice in the world IS our business, as it should be of all great nations.

And it doesn't take a huge army...just take the shackles off of the CIA and let their wet-work boys get back to doing what they do best: arranging "accidents" for nasty little pieces of crap like the "little man from Iran" and his fellow wack-jobs.
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the fact you called yourself a christian and you now say this bullspit shows whats wrong with a few things.

Your given right wing fundie loser suffers from the delusion that they speak for america, they dont and they dont understand their own faith. That's damn sad.
 
Muldur said:
Any nation that makes itself a threat to peace, freedom and justice in the world IS our business, as it should be of all great nations.
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So I'm sure you were in favor of our intervention in Bosnia and Libya?

And it doesn't take a huge army...just take the shackles off of the CIA and let their wet-work boys get back to doing what they do best: arranging "accidents" for nasty little pieces of crap like the "little man from Iran" and his fellow wack-jobs.
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You do realize assassination is illegal and especially so during peacetime?

bikerdruid said:
i haven't seen you use 'islamofascist' for a long time.
as i remember, it was proven to be absolutely meaningless quite some time ago.
can anyone else remember that?
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Yep, pretty much a self contradictory conflation of two scarey buzz words. Might as well call them "MusliMarxists" for all the accuracy of it.
 
bikerdruid said:
in the eyes of many, you just described america.
.....the average iraqi, for example.
it's a matter of perspective.
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Who was just liberated from the barbaric rule of Saddam Hussein by the USA when most of the world wanted him left in power.
 
WildCat said:
Frankly, I think US policy should be if we or our allies suffer a nuclear attack by terrorists both N. Korea and Iran get smoked. Much like it was made clear to the USSR that if any of their client states attacked the US with nukes the USSR gets it too. Such is the price of joining the nuclear club.
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The price of joining the nuclear club is that you're liable to be attacked when you are completely innocent? So if an Iranian bomb were smuggled into China and detonated, China would be justified in launching everything it had at the US, because that's just the price the US has to pay for joining the nuclear club?

And if the US did do such a thing... and the bomb is then discovered to be, say, a stolen Russian warhead? What next for the US after that? "Ooops, sorry. My bad."
 
Virus said:
Who was just liberated from the barbaric rule of Saddam Hussein by the USA when most of the world wanted him left in power.
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Do you have any idea of the damage that was done to Iraq? How many civilians were killed in the course of its "liberation"? How badly botched the occupation, which stripped the government of any functionality and planted the seeds for a widespread insurgency?

If anyone wants to take that all into account and still argue that on balance, things are better now than they were in March 2003 - I'm willing to listen. But only if the damage is honestly calculated.

Here's a starting point:

http://http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/lancet-2011/

And this is only about 10 percent of civilian deaths.
 
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