The Nazi Pope Is A Dope

How can the Pope be anti-semitic?

Isn't his whole business about worshipping a Jew?

I remember someone (was it on Bill Mayer?) calling it a "Jew on a stick" or was it "Rabbi on a stick". I forget.

Probably not polite. But then, apparently, I'm not polite.

Gotta rep' to maintain.

;)
 
parky76 said:
Jesus stopped being a Jew and became a Christian the moment he was crucified.
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Really? Jesus claimed to be the jewish messiah which would pretty much make him a jew by his own admission, no?
 
parky76 said:
calling him a "Nazi Pope" is going a little too far, don't ya think?
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I started calling him a Nazi when he was voted Pope bribed his way to the top. Didn't make me all that popular with the left-footers, but I still maintain that the only bloke on the entire planet who is able to state with 100% accuracy that he speaks the voice of god*


*Ex cathedra this, you Nazi punk! {insert emoticon inserting digit}

In the light of attacking Obama on abortion and reinstating the Nazi, Holocaust-denier, I think he's firmly put his cassock under Hitler's pillow. Far as I can tell, Ratzzinger has just Godwinned the entire RCC, bless his heart!

parky76 said:
I dont think Benedict wants to put Jews in gas chambers and conquer Poland for Lebensraum.
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Gas chambers? There were no gas chambers.

grunion said:
Fair enough. How about "ex-Nazi and still anti-semitic Pope" then?
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Nah, stick with Nazi.

H3LL said:
How can the Pope be anti-semitic?

Isn't his whole business about worshipping a Jew?
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The irony of that is always lost on these blokes.

Do you reckon Herr Ratzzinger got up this morning and decided, "Let's reopen a 2000-year old feud today!"?
 
Praying for the conversion of the Jews is not in any way anti-semitic; it is certainly not comparable to anything the Nazis did.

Furthermore, he was forced to join the Hitler Youth along with every other German child. Using this against him or referring to him as an ex-Nazi is simply pathetic.

None of this applies to TA, who is obviously taking the piss. By the way, happy Auckers Day.
 
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I feel compelled to say that I don't like Benedict the 16th, however I don't think that it is a fair criticism to call him a "NAZI" or to criticize him for being a member of the Hitler Youth or for being conscripted into the German Army when he was 16 years old. Starting in 1936 (and re-affirmed in 1939), Hitler Youth membership was mandatory for all "Aryans" in Hitler's Germany. When he joined, he had no choice. When he was 16 years old he was drafted--again not his choice. Since he was six years old when Hitler came to power in Germany, you can't really blame him for standing by mute when Hitler took control.

He can be (and should be) criticized for a lot of things, but I have never heard of him saying positive things about the Nazis, about Hitler, or anything of the sort.
 
gtc said:
Praying for the conversion of the Jews is not in any way anti-semitic; it is certainly not comparable to anything the Nazis did.
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Actually, I was more referring to the Holocaust-denier being readmitted.

The desire to convert Jews doesn't reach the radar.

gtc said:
Furthermore, he was forced to join the Hitler Youth along with every other German child. Using this against him or referring to him as an ex-Nazi is simply pathetic.
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Disagree.

Would Jesus have joined the Hitler Youth, or would he have martyred himself? As the only bloke on earth with a hotline to the sky-daddy, I would have expected Herr Ratzz to have taken the cross.

Oh, hang on, you're right of course - he confessed his sin and it's ok.

gtc said:
None of this applies to TA, who is obviously taking the piss. By the way, happy Auckers Day.
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Cheers!

Great day for it, too.

But I'm not taking the piss too much here. Plenty of Catholics didn't join the Hitler Youth, it wouldn't have been that hard to find one who wasn't.
 
The Atheist said:
Disagree.

Would Jesus have joined the Hitler Youth, or would he have martyred himself? As the only bloke on earth with a hotline to the sky-daddy, I would have expected Herr Ratzz to have taken the cross.

Oh, hang on, you're right of course - he confessed his sin and it's ok.
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Gotta disagree with your there, TA. That would be an argument if his choices were to abjure the Catholic church or face xyz punishment (the traditional way of martyrdom), but his choice was to join the Youth or spend time as a prison laborer, probably. I don't know (and you don't either, unless you are far more a sociological scholar than I am) what the Hitler Youth looked like to the young Ratz. If the propaganda was right, and with Goebbels it probably was, it could have seemed like the rough equivalent of the boy scouts with an overlay of German patriotism (and we've well experienced that kind of patriotism here in the US).

Not many church-going Americans would admit that they sinned when they agreed, loudly, with Joe McCarthy. Except for the fact that Joe wasn't the chancellor and didn't have the power to exterminate anyone physically, I see little different from that.

(Disclaimer: as an RC apostate, I don't much like anything that Ratz has done. And I can't say that he didn't learn anything in the Youth which wasn't of use to him later.)
 
To me it's not so much a question of what he did as a kid. It's how he comes to terms with it as the Pope.

As I understand it, membership in the Deutsche Jungvolk (the Cub Scouts of Nazism) was mandatory for boys aged 11 to 14. Ratzinger managed to avoid joining this group, probably due to his father's dislike for the anti-Catholic Nazi positions, but Ratzinger as a more independent-minded teenager somehow felt compelled to join the Hitler Youth in 1941, when he was 14.

Ratzinger has said that "resistance was impossible," this despite the significant amount of resistance in his very neighborhood, of which he was certainly aware. Resistance was difficult, painful, dangerous, but not "impossible" as he claimed, and by doing so he is insulting all the resistance that did occur. Indeed John Paul II openly resisted the Nazis in Poland.

Knowing what he knew about the repercussions, it isn't surprising, or even a huge ethical challenge, that he went along with the regime. But the ethical challenge emerges when as an adult he later claims to be the sole voice of morality for all Christendom (or all humanity?) and comes up with excuses for his behavior that he was just following orders. He has not repented for any behavior during that time, he is in denial. And the bigger ethical lapse occurs now that he embraces anti-semites and Holocaust revisionists.
 
Williamson has now apologised. Sort of.

In a letter to a Vatican official, Bishop Richard Williamson did not say that his remarks, made in an interview with Swedish public television, were inaccurate.
"Amidst this tremendous media storm stirred up by imprudent remarks of mine on Swedish television, I beg of you to accept, only as is properly respectful, my sincere regrets for having caused to yourself and to the Holy Father so much unnecessary distress and problems," Williamson wrote to Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos.
He added that he has "only one comment, from the prophet Jonas, 1:12: 'Take me up and throw me into the sea; then the sea will quiet down for you; for I know it is because of me that this great tempest has come upon you.'"
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