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The Nautilus case

What is the average IQ of a rocket scientist? (Yahoo answers)

But seriously: IQ tests don't really test a thing called intelligence. However, they require the use of different skill sets. Some of the questions require mathematical skills, others verbal skills. There are more categories than those two, but for the purpose of this explanation, suffice it to say that it is possible to find somebody who excels in math but sucks at language, and the other way round as well, of course. But since IQ tests focus on skills that are trained if you do your school work diligently, people who have high scores in one area tend to have high scores in most of the others as well.

However, if your idea is that Madsen might be highly gifted in the fields of mathematics, physics and chemistry, but doesn’t really have any verbal skills, which might lower his IQ in spite of genius-level maths, then, yes, it’s theoretically possible, but the guy had a blog, so I don’t think he’s dyslectic or otherwise verbally disadvantaged.

The lack of empathy appears to be his main defect, but IQ tests don’t care much for ‘emotional intelligence’ so this deficiency probably won't affect his IQ score, but probably gives him a high score on the Hare Checklist!
 
dann said:
What is the average IQ of a rocket scientist? (Yahoo answers)

But seriously: IQ tests don't really test a thing called intelligence. However, they require the use of different skill sets. Some of the questions require mathematical skills, others verbal skills. There are more categories than those two, but for the purpose of this explanation, suffice it to say that it is possible to find somebody who excels in math but sucks at language, and the other way round as well, of course. But since IQ tests focus on skills that are trained if you do your school work diligently, people who have high scores in one area tend to have high scores in most of the others as well.

However, if your idea is that Madsen might be highly gifted in the fields of mathematics, physics and chemistry, but doesn’t really have any verbal skills, which might lower his IQ in spite of genius-level maths, then, yes, it’s theoretically possible, but the guy had a blog, so I don’t think he’s dyslectic or otherwise verbally disadvantaged.

The lack of empathy appears to be his main defect, but IQ tests don’t care much for ‘emotional intelligence’ so this deficiency probably won't affect his IQ score, but probably gives him a high score on the Hare Checklist!
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Or it could be he justs sucks at making tests.
Don't know, could be anything.

By the way.
What is the expected time for the verdict today?
 
The verdict is today at 1 p.m., i.e. 2,5 hours from now.

Madsen's lawyer thinks that he should be sentenced to only six months in jail for having dismembered the body. She (says that she) doesn't think that the prosecution has lifted the burden of evidence for murder. She says that the evidence presented is only circumstantial:

- Anklageren har ikke haft ét håndfast bevis at fremlægge i retten, siger Betina Hald Engmark.
Retskorrespondent: Dommen i ubådssagen falder på et minut
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"- The prosecutor didn't present one single piece of hard evidence in court, says Betina Hald Engmark."
 
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erwinl said:
Or it could be he justs sucks at making tests.
Don't know, could be anything.
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That may be the case. But remember that he never finished his education:

Upon his 81-year-old father's death three years later, he began studying engineering but quit once he thought he knew enough to build submarines and rockets.
Peter Madsen: What is known about the Danish inventor? (AFP/The Local, Aug. 24, 2017)
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It seems like a very ... convenient excuse for never graduating. Not that it is entirely impossible, but you would expect a fully qualified engineer to have an IQ above 111. Since he seems to have been an excellent manipulator, I wouldn't put it past him to have bluffed his acquaintances into doing the calculations for him and presenting himself as the genius who came up with all of it on his own.
But this is conjecture based only on my impression of the kind of guy he appears to be, not on the science that went into the different projects that he was involved with.
 
Guilty of murder and mutilation of a corpse. Sentenced to life in prison (in reality around 16 years).

Details to follow. Will almost certainly be appealed to High Court.

Edit: All three judges agreed on the guilty verdict. The court noted that Peter Madsen had invited three different women to sail in the submarine, as well as Peter Madsen's interest in murder, mutilation and impaling.

Edit 2: The court also noted that his changing testimony had rendered his explanations untrustworthy, especially with regards to some of the items he had brought into the submarine that wouldn't normally be required there (such as a saw, nylon strips, etc.).
 
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Life in prison in Denmark:

* Harshest punishment - in principle imprisonment for the rest of life.
* In average a life sentence is 16-17 years.
* Probation is possible after 12 years.
* Probation can be denied if it is assessed that the risk of new crime is present.
* It must be assessed how dangerous the person is before probation is considered.
* At present two prisoners have served more than 30 years.
* At present 25 people is serving life in prison in Denmark.
 
"Prison for life is the most severe punishment in the country and means that it will not be possible to release Madsen until after 12 years in jail.

However, the overwhelming majority of prisoners serving a life sentence spend much more time than that behind bars, and some of the convicted are never released."

Fængsel på livstid er landets strengeste straf og betyder, at Madsen allertidligst vil kunne blive løsladt efter 12 års fængsel.

Langt de fleste afsonere af en livstidsdom tilbringer dog endnu længere tid bag tremmer, og enkelte dømte slipper aldrig ud.
Peter Madsen får livstid for drabet på Kim Wall (Information)
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Unless the High Court reduces the sentence, I think Peter Madsen could easily spend more than 30 years in jail. Compare the case of Seth Sethsen, who has so far spent 32 years in jail, after he robbed and killed a taxi driver in the mid-80's.
 
He was sentenced today at the Copenhagen County Court, and I seriously doubt that the High Court (Østre Landsret) will reduce his sentence. I don’t see why it would. And I don’t know if he will be able to appeal to the Supreme Court if the sentence in Østre Landsret isn’t the one he hopes for, but my guess is that he probably won’t.
I think he'll die in jail, of old age or maybe much sooner, by his own hand.
 
dann said:
He was sentenced today at the Copenhagen County Court, and I seriously doubt that the High Court (Østre Landsret) will reduce his sentence. I don’t see why it would. And I don’t know if he will be able to appeal to the Supreme Court if the sentence in Østre Landsret isn’t the one he hopes for, but my guess is that he probably won’t.
I think he'll die in jail, of old age or maybe much sooner, by his own hand.
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In Denmark, a case can normally only be appealed one level up. In cases of principal importance it is sometimes allowed to have them tried at he Supreme Court, but this would not seem to apply in this case (in my uneducated opinion); While the case in unique because of the circumstances, in principle it is "just" another sexual premeditated murder case.

Hans
 
People must rush to update Wiki the way forums get updated as some as things happen. It already has the verdict and sentence.
 
dann said:
And I don’t know if he will be able to appeal to the Supreme Court if the sentence in Østre Landsret isn’t the one he hopes for, but my guess is that he probably won’t.
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The Supreme Court usually only handles cases of a principal nature. They might take a look at the length of the sentence but they don't handle the question of guilt.
 
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