Octavo
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Take comfort from the fact that this kind of crazy is so rare it's always a big news story.
The Nautilus case
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Take comfort from the fact that this kind of crazy is so rare it's always a big news story.
Octavo
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I guess what I'm saying is that if you're ever the victim of a freak, we'll all be able to cash in on interviews.
"Yeah Anderson, as I was saying before the break, she was a lovely woman, despite her rather racist appropriation of dreadlocks. Just lovely otherwise. What happened to her was tragic, just tragic. I'm sure that if she'd just been carrying a portable swimming pool with her, this would never have happened."
Butter!
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Thanks, I needed that.BStrong
Penultimate Amazing
I hope you forgot to include a sarcasm emoji in the above.
Interesting day yesterday, as some of the scenarios Peter Madsen has sketched out were given their day in court, so to speak.
The first expert witness was a Royal Danish Navy lieutenant commander with a technical knowledge of submarines (worth noting that the RDNY phased out submarines in 2004). Had a bit of back-and-forth with the defense counsel over whether or not her expertise in military submarines could be translated to small, private submarines. The witness largely won that battle, especially when she pointed out that the scenarios proposed by Peter Madsen, would have resulted in telltale signs inside the submarine - signs that were entirely missing. She also noted that Peter Madsen's scenario, in which he was 'locked out' of the submarine for 10-15 minutes due to pressure build-up inside, made no sense, as he would have been unable to equalise the pressure from the outside. It would only have been doable from the inside.
The second expert witness was from the Danish Technological Institute, who confirmed that the calculations Peter Madsen had presented in favour of his scenarios were largely correct, but that he had failed to take into the account the heat this would have created. As the medical examiner noted in her testimony, there were no signs of heat damage in the tissue that was recovered.
The first expert witness was a Royal Danish Navy lieutenant commander with a technical knowledge of submarines (worth noting that the RDNY phased out submarines in 2004). Had a bit of back-and-forth with the defense counsel over whether or not her expertise in military submarines could be translated to small, private submarines. The witness largely won that battle, especially when she pointed out that the scenarios proposed by Peter Madsen, would have resulted in telltale signs inside the submarine - signs that were entirely missing. She also noted that Peter Madsen's scenario, in which he was 'locked out' of the submarine for 10-15 minutes due to pressure build-up inside, made no sense, as he would have been unable to equalise the pressure from the outside. It would only have been doable from the inside.
The second expert witness was from the Danish Technological Institute, who confirmed that the calculations Peter Madsen had presented in favour of his scenarios were largely correct, but that he had failed to take into the account the heat this would have created. As the medical examiner noted in her testimony, there were no signs of heat damage in the tissue that was recovered.
I don't think he did. He probably considered committing suicide after 'living out the (extremely sick) dream', but chickened out.
Probably. In the weeks before the murder, he appears to have invited several women to take a trip with him in the submarine, insisting that they'd have to come alone.
And if you do run into one of those, I'm not sure that superior physical strength will help you much. It doesn't take much preparation to disable somebody who's stronger than you: weapons, drugs etc. But they are very few and very far between. In Denmark they are usually caught after killing one or two, i.e. before they manage to become real serial killers. I can only think of a couple of (potential) serial killers in Denmark in the past 50 years.
Danish serial killers - where are they?
I don't know why, but it seems as if serial killers with a Danish background tend to be connected to the USA:
The most evil Danish serial killers
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"Stabbing, suicide, rape and torture were some of the words that the police have found in Madsen’s search history, says Jakob Buch-Jepsen. Furthermore, Madsen has browsed for execution videos from ISIS.”
I don’t think he’s suspected of planning to convert!
kali1137
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These cases always make me wonder how much has to do with upbringing and how much to do with their nature. It would be easy to see how his home life could have led him down this path but there had to be a mental issue also. A lot of people have bad childhoods and don't turn out this way.
My gut feeling on this is that if the boyfriend had agreed to come along, I think he still would have tried to attack them both. I believe his mind was made up and he would have gone for it either way.
Thank you guys for keeping us updated, for the articles, and for the translations. It is much appreciated.
My gut feeling on this is that if the boyfriend had agreed to come along, I think he still would have tried to attack them both. I believe his mind was made up and he would have gone for it either way.
Thank you guys for keeping us updated, for the articles, and for the translations. It is much appreciated.
There are many ways of dealing (mentally) with an oppressor, but the two major ones are
1) to despise him and his methods, including the weakness that's usually at the bottom of that kind of behavior; to long for a future when he no longer holds sway over you; to consider how to fight oppression. The balance of power in a child-adult relationship doesn't enable this consideration as long as the child is very young and small.
2) to identify with him, despise his victim(s), and learn: Aha, that's the way to do it! And to dream of a future when you are the one who's in control!
The scenario of your gut feeling is not entirely improbable: at least one of the videos that have been described was about a couple where the murderer ties up the woman before making her watch as he kills the man before killing her.
However, as far as I know, poison and drugs were never mentioned in this case at all, as part of his fantasies, his search history, at his workshop or at the submarine, and Madsen doesn't appear to be big and strong. At least he doesn't in the photos where you see him next to the police.
1) to despise him and his methods, including the weakness that's usually at the bottom of that kind of behavior; to long for a future when he no longer holds sway over you; to consider how to fight oppression. The balance of power in a child-adult relationship doesn't enable this consideration as long as the child is very young and small.
2) to identify with him, despise his victim(s), and learn: Aha, that's the way to do it! And to dream of a future when you are the one who's in control!
The scenario of your gut feeling is not entirely improbable: at least one of the videos that have been described was about a couple where the murderer ties up the woman before making her watch as he kills the man before killing her.
However, as far as I know, poison and drugs were never mentioned in this case at all, as part of his fantasies, his search history, at his workshop or at the submarine, and Madsen doesn't appear to be big and strong. At least he doesn't in the photos where you see him next to the police.
wasapi
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Thank you. It was interesting, but still begs the question, why?
I believe all of us have either known someone with terrible childhoods, full of abuse, or have been those children. Other then brain dysfunction, I don't understand.
I think it’s just a much more extreme version of what I find difficult to understand:
What makes some people want to have sex with unwilling 'partners'?
What makes some people want to have sex with unwilling 'partners'?
I hadn’t noticed this detail before. From the forensic report on his mental state:
”He has explained in detail that he identifies with the vitims and is turned on by being abused by she-males/women with male genitalia.”
Psychology report about Peter Madsen: He wanted to finish the case because he was curiout about it
”He has explained in detail that he identifies with the vitims and is turned on by being abused by she-males/women with male genitalia.”
Psychology report about Peter Madsen: He wanted to finish the case because he was curiout about it
Here in his own words:
Unfortunately, something has been lost (or maybe too much added) in the translation of the Danish idiom "Gud og hvermand". It literally translates to "God and everybody," but it is not related to religion at all!
It can be compared to the literal translation of the idiom "losing my religion"!
I bet that song has given rise to a whole lot of misunderstandings. And the video didn't help!
More about Peter Madsen’s temper:
”According to Niels Foldager, Peter Madsen’s time in Copenhagen Suborbitals ended because he was too recalcitrant and unstable.
- We could not continue our cooperation with him because he was unstable, didn't comply with agreements on all levels, exhibited significant recalcitrance and had choleric fits where he throws things and disregards basic safety regulation. So we definitely do not miss him, says Niels Foldager.”
You can probably compare his behaviour at the workshop to that of the new National Security Adviser:
However, this appears to have been a little exaggerated. Apparently it was just a tape dispenser. It's a good to know that Bolton won't be able to throw anything lethal at anybody from now on ...
”According to Niels Foldager, Peter Madsen’s time in Copenhagen Suborbitals ended because he was too recalcitrant and unstable.
- We could not continue our cooperation with him because he was unstable, didn't comply with agreements on all levels, exhibited significant recalcitrance and had choleric fits where he throws things and disregards basic safety regulation. So we definitely do not miss him, says Niels Foldager.”
You can probably compare his behaviour at the workshop to that of the new National Security Adviser:
However, this appears to have been a little exaggerated. Apparently it was just a tape dispenser. It's a good to know that Bolton won't be able to throw anything lethal at anybody from now on ...
SpitfireIX
Philosopher
Is "trustworthy" a good translation? "Credible" seems more likely to me. I'm only asking because it relates to my main point, which is that I don't think he was ever credible, even before her body was discovered.
I don't know how interesting Madsen's IQ is in this context, but it's probably not the IQ that you would expect to find in a rocket scientist ...
”Cognitive tests have shown that Peter Madsen has an IQ of 111, corresponding to the upper ordinary level.”
”Cognitive tests have shown that Peter Madsen has an IQ of 111, corresponding to the upper ordinary level.”
erwinl
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Is it possible for an IQ test to be 'distorted' by 'defects' in the brain in certain areas, but not in others?
I mean. Say brilliant in Maths and Chemistry, but not so good in other areas of knowledge and thus middling out into something more above average as opposed to a high IQ?
Serious question. I have never really looked into IQ tests and whether they differentiate in this.