The Missiles at Ground Zero

WildCat said:
OMG!1!!!! Teh F-15 fired a pigeon at WTC 7!1!!111111!!
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Great. Now I have the image of a pilot going "Roger control. Target aquired. Dear God.. PIGEON 2, PIGEON 2!!!!! and the pigeon going

COOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
 
MaGZ, if the missile struck as Flight 175 hit WTC2 at 9:03am, can you explain why WTC7 is fully intact in these photos of WTC2 collapsing at 9:59am?

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Here we go again...

MaGZ said:
Yes, I still maintain that film shows the missile falling toward WTC 7 seconds after the plane hit WTC 2. The missile had lost its target and was in free fall. This footage was taken by Gedeon Naudet at the corner of Broadway and Vessey.
In the Naudet film Gedeon claims to be one block closer to the WTC at Vessey and Church.
This footage (at Vessey and Church) was taken by someone unknown with the missile explosion edited out.
Look at the Naudet documentary.
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Y'know what annoys me most about neo-Nazis, Holocaust Deniers, anti-Semites, and Trooofers?

They expect everyone else to do their work for them. They present an idiotic thesis, no proof, and stand there and say, "Prove me wrong," like a condescending university professor (something of which they usually have little familiarity), with that little smirk of a guy who will accept no answers but, "You're a wacko and I'm a NWO operative and will duel with you to the death!" or "My God, you're a brilliant genius who is leading us to the future. You have lifted the wool and fog from my eyes and made me see the truth. Here, I found in my lockbox downstairs the series of memos from Bernard Baruch to George W. Bush outlining the Holocaust hoax, the 9/11 hoax, the Judge Crater kidnapping, and the two guys who beat up George Steinbrenner in the 1981 World Series!"

I've already done my term papers. I got Straight A's. This is your theory, your project. Present some proof that doesn't fail the laugh test.

And while you're at it, here's another problem for MaGZ to solve: given that everyone here is uniformly hostile to him, why does he persist in arguing his point? I believe a clinical definition of insanity is repeating the same anti-social behaviors, expecting to get a different result each time. :boggled:
 
No, he doesn't have a clue...

Hal Bidlack said:
No, you are missing my point, and not answering my question. In NYC, do you believe the many members of the military required to be complicit in the theory you advance were willing to sacrifice their honor, to lie, to deceive the American people?

For your theory to be correct, you must answer "yes." And if so, I must ask if you have served any time in uniform, and if you have any sense of what military service is truly like?
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If he did, he wouldn't spout that garbage. Yes, the military has its share of idiots, fools, and knaves, and Ollie North is a grand failure, but it's worth noting:

They do not survive...or they get caught.

As for the 9.9999999 percent of the rest...the only thing they try to shirk is KP.
 
MaGZ said:
Yes, I still maintain that film shows the missile falling toward WTC 7 seconds after the plane hit WTC 2. The missile had lost its target and was in free fall.
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Okay, first of all air-to-air missiles tend to use an infrared targeting system. They target heat. How much heat? They chase the heat created by burning jet fuel.

Now, if a missile was chasing the airplane (I can't believe I'm granting this possibility), and the airplane hit the WTC, the missile would not LOSE ITS TARGET. The huge, gaping hole in the tower was filled with burning jet fuel. The missile would consider this its target and would fly into the building. At this point, its 25 pounds of explosives would probably not make the situation any worse.

Remember, Sidewinders don't know they're chasing airplanes. They just know to fly towards the heat.

But wait! That's not all! Because guess what air-to-airmissiles do when they lose their target? They self-destruct! Why? Because if they didn't, they'd run the risk of accidentally acquiring their own friendly aircraft. Why? Because all they sense is heat. So, the hypothetical missile should have just destroyed itself and fallen to the ground, doing little damage.

But wait! There's more! An air-to-air missile can have a few minutes of fuel. If it lost its target and somehow forgot to self-destruct, it would just fly around for a while. Of course, the missile you claim hit WTC7 wasn't observed making lazy circles over New York looking for a target.

So, after six minutes of research into how missiles actually work, I can say:
1. Your theory is impossible because the missile would have seen the fireball at the towers as its target.
2. Your theory is impossible because missiles that lose their targets self-destruct.
3. Your theory is impossible because missiles have enough fuel for several minutes of flight and that was not observed by anyone.
4. Your refusal to actually do any real research says more about you than you think.

(source)
 
Why are we debating this nonsense?

We know from substantial collaborating evidence that the two Otis ANG F-15's were 70mi from Manhattan when UA175 hit WTC2. His theory is debunked. End of story.

-Gumboot
 
babazaroni said:
Well MaGZ, what do you have to say for yourself now that we've shown you the huge dust cloud was the South Tower collapsing?

And how could you possibly think that a missile carrying only 25-50 lbs of explosives could create a debris cloud dwarfing a 47 story building?
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Tower Two top portion fell toward the east hitting WTC 4. There would have been smoke and debris behind WTC 7 showing this if WTC 2 collapse was in the first photo. They are different events. Also this separate article also indicates this.

http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/wtc6-explosion.htm
 
MaGZ said:
Tower Two top portion fell toward the east hitting WTC 4. There would have been smoke and debris behind WTC 7 showing this if WTC 2 collapse was in the first photo. They are different events. Also this separate article also indicates this.

http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/wtc6-explosion.htm
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Never mind that the video shows the screenshot from different angles and shows the collapse occuring.
Are you saying two different events produced an identical dust cloud?
 
Loss Leader said:
Okay, first of all air-to-air missiles tend to use an infrared targeting system. They target heat. How much heat? They chase the heat created by burning jet fuel.

Now, if a missile was chasing the airplane (I can't believe I'm granting this possibility), and the airplane hit the WTC, the missile would not LOSE ITS TARGET. The huge, gaping hole in the tower was filled with burning jet fuel. The missile would consider this its target and would fly into the building. At this point, its 25 pounds of explosives would probably not make the situation any worse.

Remember, Sidewinders don't know they're chasing airplanes. They just know to fly towards the heat.

But wait! That's not all! Because guess what air-to-airmissiles do when they lose their target? They self-destruct! Why? Because if they didn't, they'd run the risk of accidentally acquiring their own friendly aircraft. Why? Because all they sense is heat. So, the hypothetical missile should have just destroyed itself and fallen to the ground, doing little damage.

But wait! There's more! An air-to-air missile can have a few minutes of fuel. If it lost its target and somehow forgot to self-destruct, it would just fly around for a while. Of course, the missile you claim hit WTC7 wasn't observed making lazy circles over New York looking for a target.

So, after six minutes of research into how missiles actually work, I can say:
1. Your theory is impossible because the missile would have seen the fireball at the towers as its target.
2. Your theory is impossible because missiles that lose their targets self-destruct.
3. Your theory is impossible because missiles have enough fuel for several minutes of flight and that was not observed by anyone.
4. Your refusal to actually do any real research says more about you than you think.

(source)
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I will concede the point it was not a heat-seeking missile.

I saw the explosion of WTC 7 on television after 9/11. The footage was taken by a local WNYW Channel 5 Fox News photographer. When he arrived at the WTC complex he positioned his camera on the east side of WTC 1 filming the burning tower directly overhead. Then we see the second tower explode above him. About a second or two later there is a massive explosion on his right (WTC 7) where we see material exploding from the impact. The cameraman falls to the ground when WTC 7 is hit. This is how his camera caught the explosion at WTC 7.

The last time I saw this film was about two years ago on the anniversary of 9/11. It was on a foreign arab news broadcast called Mosaic on Link TV.

Sky News may have distributed this to the international broadcasters. The film exists. I hope someone will find it and put it up on the Internet.
 
No missiles at ground zero.

No proof. Just lies from MaGZ.

But he proved he gets his junk from white power groups. And if you are pure dumb you can join for 12 dollars a month; just 144 dollars a year to be dumb and white. No, if you are normal you can not join.

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He can not join his great grandmother is jewish, they would ban Jesus too (can not even trust the blue eye, blond hair myth). (he failed the dumb test, he is smarter than MaGZ; he can say bird.) Butters can not join Cartman in 9/11 truth or the secret neoNut group. Where are the missiles? (do you really use these neoNut sites for your information?)


Still no missiles. zip...
 
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beachnut said:
No missiles at ground zero.

No proof. Just lies from MaGZ.

But he proved he gets his junk from white power groups. And if you are pure dumb you can join for 12 dollars a month; just 144 dollars a year to be dumb and white. No if you are normal you can not join.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_124474548df2242226.jpg

He can not join his great grandmother is jewish. (he failed the dumb test, too smart for MaGZ)


Still no missiles. zip...
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sure was a lot of damn birds in some of those videos though.
 
MaGZ said:
Tower Two top portion fell toward the east hitting WTC 4. There would have been smoke and debris behind WTC 7 showing this if WTC 2 collapse was in the first photo. They are different events. Also this separate article also indicates this.

http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/wtc6-explosion.htm
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MaGZ, where do I begin?

Thepowerhour is closely associated with Dave Von Kleist. It even has his songs.

He was the leading proponent of a massive explosion that created a debris cloud that dwarfed wt7, that none of us have ever seen.

His claims are so outrageous, that other CT'ers call him a disinfo agent.

He has removed this claim from the Director's Cut of In Plane Sight and has retracted his claim in this video.

Unfortunately, you are collateral damage.
 
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