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The Missiles at Ground Zero

MaGZ said:
It is difficult to tell. Does the picture show the west side of WTC 7 or the souther face? Hard to say.
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It is the south face. No doubt about it. The west and east faces are much narrower, The south face had the inset roof, which is clearly visible.
 
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babazaroni said:
So you are saying a missile hit the 14th floor causing fires there, then destroyed the lobby, yet no sign of damage on the south face of WTC 7.
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I don’t know the extend of damage to the lobby. However some cars on Vesey Street were set on fire from the missile explosion. The damage cars by extreme fire can be see in the DVD "WTC the first 24 hours"
 
MaGZ said:
I don’t know the extend of damage to the lobby. However some cars on Vesey Street were set on fire from the missile explosion. The damage cars by extreme fire can be see in the DVD "WTC the first 24 hours"
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But you quoted this.
After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when they felt and heard another explosion. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said.
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To back up your claim. You made out the lobby was totally destroyed by the missile, when in fact this damage was reported after the Towers collapsed, is that not correct?
 
MaGZ, you need to answer the question of whether that picture shows the south face.

Do you concede that this pic shows the south face?
 
he says he "cant" tell, however, if he bothered to research (something that the troofers want us to do for them), he;d know exactly what that picture showed.

Guys, stop feeding him the answers...
 
Arus808 said:
he says he "cant" tell, however, if he bothered to research (something that the troofers want us to do for them), he;d know exactly what that picture showed.
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I'm willing to give him credit and say the "can't tell" part is just a quick reaction.

With a tiny bit of research, he should be able to tell beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is the south, then make up another crazy explanation for the debris cloud.

If he can't get by this point, then we should dog him till he does.
 
MaGZ said:
Thanks for the help from the Wikipedia image. I forgot WTC 7 was not a rectangle building at its base. I am convinced now we are seeing the west side of the building and part of the southern face.
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Sorry MaGZ, the south face had the inset roof. That is clearly visible in the pic.

You are seeing the entire part of the south face.

The Verizon building is west of WTC 7. It obscures the west face of WTC 7.
 
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Again, he's not going to bother to support his claims. He's moving goal posts and revising his theories as answers are supplied to him

He's a troll/ since he appeared, he's done nothing to support his claims. All he does is regurgitate the same claims over and over again.

He hasn't answered any questions put for to him directly. Just gave an appearance of an answer, and when someone provides him with something that he can use, he uses it in his rebuttal, without even reading or fully understanding what he is using.
 
babazaroni said:
The Verizon building is west of WTC 7. It obscures the west face of WTC 7.
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In our image, the west face is actually obstructed by WFC3. If, however WFC3 wasn't there, the west face of WTC7 would indeed be mostly obscured by the Verizon building, given the angle the picture was taken at.

MaGZ is merely lying to himself. He knows it.
 
stateofgrace said:
But you quoted this.


To back up your claim. You made out the lobby was totally destroyed by the missile, when in fact this damage was reported after the Towers collapsed, is that not correct?
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The witnesses came down WTC 7 after they experienced the missile explosion not the fall of any towers. Perhaps the lobby was damaged by glass blown inward from the blast floors above. Perhaps some of the exploding cars on Vesey Street caused some damage.

All of WTC 7 was evacuated around 9:44 before WTC 2 came down. The witnesses could not have be referring to the lobby after the collapse of WTC 2 or 1.
 
Arus808 said:
Again, he's not going to bother to support his claims. He's moving goal posts and revising his theories as answers are supplied to him
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Yes, but there is nothing he can do about claiming this is not the south face.

If we allow truthers to procede past these points, then it make our job impossible.
 
you are dealing with another "Christophera". Worry about the fence sitters; not people who are seriously in need of help.
 
Arus808 said:
you are dealing with another "Christophera". Worry about the fence sitters; not people who are seriously in need of help.
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He has just now seen the south face of WTC 7, I'll give him a few hundred more posts before I put him in the Christophera class.
 
MaGZ said:
Thanks for the help from the Wikipedia image. I forgot WTC 7 was not a rectangle building at its base. I am convinced now we are seeing the west side of the building and part of the southern face.
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Man-oh-man... You're not just stepping in crap, you're smearing it all over your face...

Here's a clear shot of the east side of WTC7 (the west face is just like this, somewhat visible in this picture of the south face). You can see the south face clearly. Notice that the south face has a "black stripe" about two stories high, while the east and west faces do not.

In the image in question, you can also see a "black stripe" running the length of the visible face. This is clearly the south face, not the west face.
 
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babazaroni said:
Sorry MaGZ, the south face had the inset roof. That is clearly visible in the pic.

You are seeing the entire part of the south face.

The Verizon building is west of WTC 7. It obscures the west face of WTC 7.
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The image of WTC 7 isn’t very clear. It appears to be a bit smokey. I wonder why there are no better images of the southern face of WTC 7?
 
babazaroni said:
Cl1mh4224rd, I think you put the wrong pic in the west face link. That's the south face.
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No, it's the image I wanted, but that doesn't mean you're wrong. ;) It is, essentially, a picture of the south face, but you can make out the west face, which is what I was going for.

I'm still looking for a better shot of the west face, but until then, I'll clarify my post. Thanks. :)
 
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