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Cosmic Yak said:
So not plasma, then.
Vague statements about "light/flame" do not count as science. Science is a little more precise than that. Double fail.
Can you give us a translation of your article, just so we can see what you said?
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Plasmas are not from water or wooden.

They are fire/light

http://www.astronomy.com/news/2016/10/cannonballs-shooting-from-star

"Fireballs", "cannon fire"

***

Al Jinn

8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

67:5 We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing fire.

Saffat

6. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

***

lower heaven = our universe


"Görüldüğü üzere atıştan kastedilen ışık/alevdir."
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Plasmas are not from water or wooden.

They are fire/light

http://www.astronomy.com/news/2016/10/cannonballs-shooting-from-star

"Fireballs", "cannon fire"

***

Al Jinn

8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

67:5 We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing fire.

Saffat

6. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

***

lower heaven = our universe


"Görüldüğü üzere atıştan kastedilen ışık/alevdir."
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So, they saw shooting stars and compared them to cannon fire.

let-me-get-this-straight-a-book-compared-shooting-stars-to-cannon-fire-and-you-think-this-is-proof-t.jpg
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Plasmas are not from water or wooden.

They are fire/light

http://www.astronomy.com/news/2016/10/cannonballs-shooting-from-star

"Fireballs", "cannon fire"

***

Al Jinn

8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

67:5 We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing fire.

Saffat

6. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

***

lower heaven = our universe


"Görüldüğü üzere atıştan kastedilen ışık/alevdir."
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This is too funny for words.
By way of comparison, this is the original report from the Astrophysical Journal.
An excerpt:
The well-studied carbon star, V Hya, showing evidence for high-speed, collimated outflows and dense equatorial structures, is a key object in the study of the poorly understood transition of AGB stars into aspherical planetary nebulae. Using the Space Telescope Imaging Spectrograph instrument on board the Hubble Space Telescope, we have obtained high spatial-resolution long-slit optical spectra of V Hya that show high-velocity emission in [S II] and [Fe II] lines. Our data set, spanning three epochs spaced apart by a year during each of two periods (in 2002–2004 and 2011–2013), shows that V Hya ejects high-speed (∼200–250 - km s 1 ) bullets once every ∼8.5 years. The ejection axis flip–flops around a roughly eastern direction, both in and perpendicular to the skyplane, and the radial velocities of the ejecta also vary in concert between low and high values. We propose a model in which the bullet ejection is associated with the periastron passage of a binary companion in an eccentric orbit around V Hya with an orbital period of ∼8.5 years. The flip–flop phenomenon is likely the result of collimated ejection from an accretion disk (produced by gravitational capture of material from the primary) that is warped and precessing, and/or that has a magnetic field that is misaligned with that of the companion or the primary star. We show how a previously observed 17 year period in V Hya’s light-cycle can also be explained in our model.
Additionally, we describe how the model proposed here can be extended to account for multipolar nebulae.
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Strange that your god was unable or unwilling to go into the same level of detail, espcecially as he supposedly made all this happen.
Note the curious absence of guards, talking fires and demons in the real science as well. How do you explain this?
 
For those not acquainted with the Arabic names of Quran surahs, here are the verses Emre quoted, with the Arabic and English names and surah numbers. Yusuf Ali translation.

The Jinn ( Al-Jinn)

72.8 'And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern
guards and flaming fires.

72.9 'We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but
any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

The ranks ( Al-Saffat)

37.6 We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

37.7 (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil spirits,

37.8 (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted
Assembly but be cast away from every side,

37.9 Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

37.10 Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a
flaming fire, of piercing brightness.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
67:5 We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing fire.
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This verse is clearly stating the stars are missiles to throw at devils. Muhammad obviously thought stars were lamps and confused them with meteors. He thought meteors were falling stars being thrown at devils.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Once again: were the fireballs aimed at demons? Was the Hubble telescope ambushed by a living fire? How does what your special book says resemble in any way the scientific report I linked to?
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There are verses about the lightnings that sometimes they targets non-believers.

But that doesn't always mean the lightning strikes targets them.

And science doesn't care about that. It's just observing the case.

Science has once again confirmed the Koran. The stars are shooting from the flame/light.

And I wrote that before the discovery.
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
There are verses about the lightnings that sometimes they targets non-believers.

But that doesn't always mean the lightning strikes targets them.

And science doesn't care about that. It's just observing the case.

Science has once again confirmed the Koran. The stars are shooting from the flame/light.

And I wrote that before the discovery.
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Please name one single unbeliever who has been hit by a ball of plasma shot from a star.
Do you actually know what lightning is? Do you think it comes from the stars?

When 13 Muslims, their imam among them, were killed by a lightning strike, what do you think happened? Did Allah miss, or is your theory complete nonsense?
https://www.thenational.ae/world/as...-lightning-strikes-bangladesh-mosque-1.591696
 
steenkh said:
What about it? Cannons were not invented at the time when the Quran was written, so I am quite sure that it was not mentioned in that book.
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I didn't know that! I thought they were invented much earlier. As a Scandinavian, I guess I ought to have noticed that cannons are never mentioned in the stories about the Vikings. They would have been very useful to their enemies! :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon
 
Hey Emre, why has God not granted you the ability to be convincing?

Eta - God knows precisely what it will take for me to believe in him, yet you keep typing nonsense, why is that?
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
Plasmas are not from water or wooden.

They are fire/light

http://www.astronomy.com/news/2016/10/cannonballs-shooting-from-star

"Fireballs", "cannon fire"

***

Al Jinn

8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

67:5 We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing fire.

Saffat

6. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

***

lower heaven = our universe


"Görüldüğü üzere atıştan kastedilen ışık/alevdir."
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OK, I think that I see what you are driving at, and you are quite wrong.

I do not know if you are aware of this fact or not, but there have been several people overt the years who have made similar arguments here on the Forum before and all of these people were wrong.

In your case, you should be made aware that one cannot establish that a certain book is somehow the product of a Supreme Being simply because a believer in that book uses a creative interpretation to show that the stories in that book were actually predictions about things that happen now.

It just does not work that way because the stories in these books can be so vague and ill-defined, that they can mean just about anything that one wants the stories to mean. This process is well known and it is called 'retro-fitting'.
 
Thankee kindly, Jay

JayUtah said:
No, science does not say that lightning comes from stars. You have no discernible grip on reality.
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That last sentence is good enough for a sig line. It ought to be a great quasher of a put-down in almost any argument. But

we know it won't work on emre.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
There are verses about the lightnings that sometimes they targets non-believers.

But that doesn't always mean the lightning strikes targets them.

And science doesn't care about that. It's just observing the case.


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I am speaking about thunderballs at there.

Not about plasmas.not about stars.

I think your English or thinking is weak.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
I am speaking about thunderballs at there.

Not about plasmas.not about stars.

I think your English or thinking is weak.
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Wait, what does a James bond movie have to do with the Koran???



All joking aside, what, exactly are you referring to by the term "thunderball?"

Are you referring to the nick-name for a mushroom cloud?

Are you referring to ball lighting?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderball
 
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