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Emre_1974tr said:
The Quran mentions atheists many times.

ATHEISTS

69:33 For he did not acknowledge God, the Great.

4:38 Those who spend their money to show-off to the people, and they do not acknowledge God or the Last day. Whoever has the devil as his companion, then what a miserable companion!

52:35 Or were they created from nothing? Or was it they who created?

In Addition, all verses mentioning the design criticized atheism.

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Polytheists

-And verily, if you ask them: "Who created the heavens and the earth?" Surely, they will say: "Allah (has created them)." Say: "Tell me then, the things that you invoke besides Allah, if Allah intended some harm for me, could they remove His harm, or if He (Allah) intended some mercy for me, could they withhold His Mercy?" Say: "Sufficient for me is Allah; in Him those who trust (i.e. believers) must put their trust."
Az-Zumar:38

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Christians

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"
An-Nisaa:171

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Jews

Say (O Muhammad ﷺ): "O you Jews! If you pretend that you are friends of Allah, to the exclusion of (all) other mankind, then long for death if you are truthful."
Al-Jumu'ah:6

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Pantheists

43:15 They assigned a share to Him from His own servants! The human being is clearly denying.

112:3 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten,"
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So what.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The Quran mentions atheists many times.
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You spammed this to both your threads without addressing the open question. it's like a knee-jerk reaction with you. I'm not going to get into the tortured interpretations of those passages that you think refer to atheism. I'm just going to repeat the question everyone is trying get you to answer:

Who, according to you, are the "Christian missionaries" in this thread? Actual user names, please.
 
halleyscomet said:
This may be the core of Emre_1974tr's confusion. Anyone who doesn't believe in Emre_1974tr's version of $deity is thrown into the same bucket. The content of Emre_1974tr's posts suggest Emre_1974tr does not understand the difference between a Christian and an atheist. The arguments made by Emre_1974tr are all ones you'd expect to be used against Christians.

Emre_1974tr,

Please define, in your own words, what an "Atheist" is.

Please define, in your own words, what a "Christian" is.

Please define, in your own words, the difference between an Atheist and a Christian.
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I'd like, if I may, to add to this list of questions.

Emre_1974tr, please define, in your own words, what "Islam" is.
Things Emre says are not Islamic:
Sunni.
Shia.
The Hadith.
The Islamic calender (Hijari).
Sharia.

Does rather leave me wondering what Emre thinks Islam is, because it clearly doesn't agree with the view of the vast majority of the world's Muslims..
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
The Quran mentions atheists many times.

ATHEISTS

69:33 For he did not acknowledge God, the Great.

4:38 Those who spend their money to show-off to the people, and they do not acknowledge God or the Last day. Whoever has the devil as his companion, then what a miserable companion!

52:35 Or were they created from nothing? Or was it they who created?

In Addition, all verses mentioning the design criticized atheism.

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Polytheists

-And verily, if you ask them: "Who created the heavens and the earth?" Surely, they will say: "Allah (has created them)." Say: "Tell me then, the things that you invoke besides Allah, if Allah intended some harm for me, could they remove His harm, or if He (Allah) intended some mercy for me, could they withhold His Mercy?" Say: "Sufficient for me is Allah; in Him those who trust (i.e. believers) must put their trust."
Az-Zumar:38

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Christians

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"
An-Nisaa:171

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Jews

Say (O Muhammad ﷺ): "O you Jews! If you pretend that you are friends of Allah, to the exclusion of (all) other mankind, then long for death if you are truthful."
Al-Jumu'ah:6

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Pantheists

43:15 They assigned a share to Him from His own servants! The human being is clearly denying.

112:3 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten,"
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Your mistakes that are mostly based on the translation issues were shown to you multiple times before. So I'm not gonna repeat them. You're not interested in intellectual honesty and truth and critical thinking. And you clearly have no knowledge of the Arabic language.
I lived as a devout Muslim for three decades. Memorized most of the Quran and studied Arabic. There's nothing in the Quran about atheism. People who invented Quran had no idea on this issue. In fact they believed the end of the world was eminent, possibly in their life time. They just tried to prosiletize Christians Jews and polytheists. They had no time and interest in philosophical debates about the existence of a creator of everything.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
I've also looked at Other titles, the writings written by Christian Missioners. And you show it without shame:)
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Is there supposed to be an actual message buried somewhere in that gibberish?

Emre_1974tr said:
On the Turkish Atheist Forum, atheists counted themselves to refute this miracle. And they admitted it was 365 times. This time they began to argue that the words were added later.
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Filippo Lippi said:
I've checked and seven of these references are wrong
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Cosmic Yak said:
Emre stops counting at 101.4, yet my link shows one at 102.8.
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Are you surprised? God botherers lie, they have to to enable themselves to cope with the obvious evidence contradicting their beliefs.

Cosmic Yak said:
I will give him credit for one thing: every time I think he can't embarrass himself any further, he steps right up and proves me wrong.
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Indeed.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The Quran mentions atheists many times.

ATHEISTS

69:33 For he did not acknowledge God, the Great.

4:38 Those who spend their money to show-off to the people, and they do not acknowledge God or the Last day. Whoever has the devil as his companion, then what a miserable companion!

52:35 Or were they created from nothing? Or was it they who created?

In Addition, all verses mentioning the design criticized atheism.



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Polytheists

-And verily, if you ask them: "Who created the heavens and the earth?" Surely, they will say: "Allah (has created them)." Say: "Tell me then, the things that you invoke besides Allah, if Allah intended some harm for me, could they remove His harm, or if He (Allah) intended some mercy for me, could they withhold His Mercy?" Say: "Sufficient for me is Allah; in Him those who trust (i.e. believers) must put their trust."
Az-Zumar:38

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Christians

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"
An-Nisaa:171

--------------

Jews

Say (O Muhammad ﷺ): "O you Jews! If you pretend that you are friends of Allah, to the exclusion of (all) other mankind, then long for death if you are truthful."
Al-Jumu'ah:6

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Pantheists

43:15 They assigned a share to Him from His own servants! The human being is clearly denying.

112:3 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten,"
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Notice that the difference between atheist and pagan is clearly stated in the verses. When One doesn't believe in God (atheist), the other (pagan) believes to God, but in the faith of Shirk.

Meanwhile, in the verses, there is also an answer to the spiritualists who claim the matter/universe is imagination/illusion:

46:3 We did not create the heavens and the earth, and everything between them except with truth, and for an appointed time. Those who reject turn away from what they are being warned with.

29:44 God created the heavens and the earth, with truth. In that is a sign for those who acknowledge.

Matter/universe and other universes are real.
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
Notice that the difference between atheist and pagan is clearly stated in the verses.
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Except that it isn't.

Meanwhile...
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Don't change the subject. No one wants to hear you preach. What we want is for you to either substantiate or withdraw your claim that you are being opposed here by "Christian missionaries." Are you going to name names, or shall we just conclude that all this was just your latest paranoid delusion?
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Notice that the difference between atheist and pagan is clearly stated in the verses. [snip]
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No I notice no such thing.

But what I do notice is that the question of who the Christian missionaries are is still unanswered. JayUtahs question seems quite clear yet it remains unaddressed.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Notice that the difference between atheist and pagan is clearly stated in the verses. When One doesn't believe in God (atheist), the other (pagan) believes to God, but in the faith of Shirk.

Meanwhile, in the verses, there is also an answer to the spiritualists who claim the matter/universe is imagination/illusion:

46:3 We did not create the heavens and the earth, and everything between them except with truth, and for an appointed time. Those who reject turn away from what they are being warned with.

29:44 God created the heavens and the earth, with truth. In that is a sign for those who acknowledge.

Matter/universe and other universes are real.
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Your mistakes that are mostly based on the translation issues were shown to you multiple times before. So I'm not gonna repeat them. You're not interested in intellectual honesty and truth and critical thinking. And you clearly have no knowledge of the Arabic language.
I lived as a devout Muslim for three decades. Memorized most of the Quran and studied Arabic. There's nothing in the Quran about atheism. People who invented Quran had no idea on this issue. In fact they believed the end of the world was eminent, possibly in their life time. They just tried to prosiletize Christians Jews and polytheists. They had no time and interest in philosophical debates about the existence of a creator of everything.

You insist on this stupidity.
Islamic scholars used several terms to denote atheistic philosophies known to them.
Mainly Maddîyyun, Dehrîyyun, Zenâdika, Melâhide.
And even these are not mentioned in the Quran.
Because the first Muslims were not exposed so much to other cultures.
Their world was very small. (Mohammad's world).
He simply didn't even know about the atheistic philosophies of his time.
That's why they're not mentioned in the Quran.
Sirk in the Quran is not even close to "non-belief in the supernatural entities".
It only means believing there to be other god/gods working together with allah.
You need to study your Quran before you blabber about it.

Hey Emre, I have news for you.
By Quranic standards you're going to eternal hellfire.
You put words into allah's mouth.
You interpret his words in ways that even his messenger didn't.
You're a kafir.
You're also a mulhid. (You're working to spoil his religion).
You're doomed to Hell, that is if you really believe it.
You're no more muslim than we atheists are.
 
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JayUtah said:
You're just repeating your claims and ignoring the corrections. You don't actually have any intelligent answer for them, do you?
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As the master said:
One of the things Ford Prefect had always found hardest to understand about human beings was their habit of continually stating and repeating the obvious, as in It's a nice day, or You're very tall, or Oh dear you seem to have fallen down a thirty-foot well, are you alright? At first Ford had formed a theory to account for this strange behaviour. If human beings don't keep exercising their lips, he thought, their mouths probably seize up. After a few months' consideration and observation he abandoned this theory in favour of a new one. If they don't keep on exercising their lips, he thought, their brains start working.
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Emre_1974tr said:
In the Quran, the word "day" is 365 times, the word "days" is 30 times, and the word "month" repeats 12 times and does not mean anything to you?
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Repeating mis-spelled lies isn't going to convince anyone.

Emre_1974tr said:
BLACKHOLES IN QURAN

Quran 56:75- So, I swear by the place where the stars fall.(56- The Inevitable, 75)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/black-holesmighty-oath/

[Quran 86.1-3] And the heaven and the "Knocker" (Tarek in Arabic طارق) How could you know about the "Knocker"? The piercing star (Thakeb in Arabic).
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Absolute nonsense. Obviously you're unfamiliar with "that short, fat humble village rector".

Dancing David said:
this space for lease
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:):thumbsup:
 
Emre_1974tr said:
On the contrary, you've detected that I'm right.
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Nope. We've detected that you're desperately lying to cover your ignorance and uncertainty.
Emre_1974tr said:
That's why the Christian missionaries in the forum panicked for the first time, and their voices began to vibrate.
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What "Christian missionaries" are those? Other than in your imagination of course...

Emre_1974tr said:
In the Quran, the word "day" is 365 times, the word "days" is 30 times, and the word "month" repeats 12 times.
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Still lying. Pathetic.

Emre_1974tr said:
1 month =

30.4368499 days
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No.
There are actually several "months". For example astronomy has five:
The classic sidereal month of ~27.32166 days
The synodic month of ~29.53059 days
The tropical month of ~27.32158 days
The anomalistic month of ~27.55455 days
The draconic month of ?27.21222 days

Calendars don't have equal length months.
 
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