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Emre_1974tr said:
No, I didn't use that phrase for you, for example.



There's a Couple of missionaries, and they're putting a couple of in every forum.
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Who?

Who on this forum do you think is a Christian Missionary?

If you can’t name names than stop making the accusation.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
No, I didn't use that phrase for you, for example.

There's a Couple of missionaries, and they're putting a couple of in every forum.
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Ah, the ubiquitous "they". Somehow you know "they" exist yet are unable to identify who exactly "they" might actually be.

So let us just ignore the imaginary "they" for a moment.

The koran is trash and allah is a figment of the imagination.
The bible is trash and jehovah is a figment of the imagination.

Can you imagine how foolish it is to claim that one stupid book somehow corrects another stupid book? All because of some imaginary deities?
 
JayUtah said:
That's pretty paranoid.
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Yes. Given all of the respondents in this thread are flat out atheists. Have we any christian respondents in this thread? Not having a go at christians, you understand, but there doesn't seem to be any participating in this thread at all, so who exactly Emre is railing against is somewhat of a puzzle.
 
abaddon said:
Yes. Given all of the respondents in this thread are flat out atheists. Have we any christian respondents in this thread? Not having a go at christians, you understand, but there doesn't seem to be any participating in this thread at all, so who exactly Emre is railing against is somewhat of a puzzle.
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All her/his parroted replies are based on a Christian opponent. They don’t have replies that address atheists or even Christians who take the Bible metaphorically.
 
halleyscomet said:
All her/his parroted replies are based on a Christian opponent. They don’t have replies that address atheists or even Christians who take the Bible metaphorically.
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True. Because his holy book Quran doesn't know about atheists and Emre thus feels obligated to pretend that there's no such thing as atheist.
 
winter salt said:
True. Because his holy book Quran doesn't know about atheists and Emre thus feels obligated to pretend that there's no such thing as atheist.
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I've had the same issue with Mormons. All the examples of "atheists" in the Book of Mormon are people who eventually admit they were just angry at God, usually just before they die.
 
halleyscomet said:
I've had the same issue with Mormons. All the examples of "atheists" in the Book of Mormon are people who eventually admit they were just angry at God, usually just before they die.
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I've noticed that too, but I though that was just my geographical bias. You're right; I don't recall the Book of Mormon having much to say about atheists and atheism. The baddies in the Book of Mormon seemed mostly to be apostates and idolaters, not atheists. Coincidentally a lot of the atheists in my region were raised Mormon. They're thought of not as atheists but as lapsed Mormons -- "really" still Mormons, and "really" still believers in God.

But I think the same thing happens in any faith community that occupies a majority of the geography. They're so steeped in their faith that they simply don't grasp that there can fail to exist a belief in some kind of deity. Here, I think, Emre is going off the deep end. He's apparently been reading too much James Bond, because now the argument seems to be that Christians are sending undercover missionaries to every backwater discussion forum. I really just think he wants his jihad, and he'll invent whatever he has to in his mind to make it seem like it's happening.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The Quran makes a wide criticism of atheism.
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That's not an answer to the question I asked you. You're making the claim that there are Christian Missionaries in this thread. I'm asking you to tell us who you think are the missionaries. The presence of atheists in the Koran is completely irrelevant to this discussion. There's already considerable evidence on this forum of your own lack of comprehension of the content of the Koran, so citing discussions of atheists in the Koran, even if such discussions actually exist, does NOTHING to bolster your own position.

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Emre_1974tr said:
No, I didn't use that phrase for you, for example.

There's a Couple of missionaries, and they're putting a couple of in every forum.
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Who?

Who on this forum do you think is a Christian Missionary?

If you can’t name names than stop making the accusation.
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Are you going to keep dodging the question?
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
The Quran makes a wide criticism of atheism. I gave you the Relevant verses in English.
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You misunderstand the problem. You seem to think your critics here are primarily Christian. In fact your critics here are primarily atheist. You're giving them the canned responses you would use as rejoinders to Christians and expecting your critics to follow you. They will not do that. You will have to respond to the rebuttals they actually give, not to the ones you expect from Christians.

Even more baffling, you've suggested that there is a concerted effort by some unnamed party to plant "Christian missionaries" in forums, ostensibly to argue against you. You have been asked to substantiate that claim, but you seem uninterested in doing so.

But since you don't understand English, I'll give you my Turkish article on the subject:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/kuranda-bahsedilen-ateistler.html
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Everyone here speaks English, many of us natively. Few if any speak Turkish, and we aren't interested in reading and commenting on your blog. The problem seems to be that you don't read English well enough to understand the rebuttals you're being given. Perhaps you would be more effective at a Turkish-language forum.
 
Scorpion said:
I don't recall reading the word 'atheist' in the Quran. It refers to unbelievers or disbelievers many times over. But they seem to be unbelievers in Muhammad not in God.
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This may be the core of Emre_1974tr's confusion. Anyone who doesn't believe in Emre_1974tr's version of $deity is thrown into the same bucket. The content of Emre_1974tr's posts suggest Emre_1974tr does not understand the difference between a Christian and an atheist. The arguments made by Emre_1974tr are all ones you'd expect to be used against Christians.

Emre_1974tr,

Please define, in your own words, what an "Atheist" is.

Please define, in your own words, what a "Christian" is.

Please define, in your own words, the difference between an Atheist and a Christian.
 
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halleyscomet said:
The arguments made by Emre_1974tr are all ones you'd expect to be used against Christians.
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But in fairness, some of the rebuttals he's received would be expected from Christians. That's because he's factually wrong about so many parts and premises of his arguments, and it's not a matter of defending a devotion to correct him according to the facts.

Time and again I hear Mormons say, "Well, Catholics believe that..." as a prelude to misrepresenting the Catholic teaching. I'm not Catholic, but I lived for years in Italy among Catholics. On those terms, I feel confident correcting the more egregious mistakes. But then people assume I'm Catholic, and further assume that I've corrected them in order to advocate and defend Catholicism. A skeptic just wants accurate facts to work with, even if there can be different sustainable conclusions drawn from them. I may agree with the Mormon not to believe the Catholic doctrine, but we should start from an accurate position of what the doctrine is.

I don't give a flying finagle how many times "day" appears in the Qur'an, or what numerological song and dance someone composes from it. But I do care whether an Arabic idiom is being interpreted correctly. Calling attention to that error doesn't have anything to do with whether I believe the Qur'an or not, or what other holy books I might believe or not believe in. It's an error of fact that I happen to have the appropriate knowledge to refute. This is the part Emre doesn't seem to understand. There are factual rebuttals that work because they're factual. That both Christians and atheists can both notice those things doesn't create any more connection than that.
 
The issue of quran not mentioning atheists has been brought up before, possibly more than once here in this thread. He failed to defend his position then too. It's useless trying to reason with this kid. He's here probably just to practice his English.
 
The Quran mentions atheists many times.

ATHEISTS

69:33 For he did not acknowledge God, the Great.

4:38 Those who spend their money to show-off to the people, and they do not acknowledge God or the Last day. Whoever has the devil as his companion, then what a miserable companion!

52:35 Or were they created from nothing? Or was it they who created?

In Addition, all verses mentioning the design criticized atheism.

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Polytheists

-And verily, if you ask them: "Who created the heavens and the earth?" Surely, they will say: "Allah (has created them)." Say: "Tell me then, the things that you invoke besides Allah, if Allah intended some harm for me, could they remove His harm, or if He (Allah) intended some mercy for me, could they withhold His Mercy?" Say: "Sufficient for me is Allah; in Him those who trust (i.e. believers) must put their trust."
Az-Zumar:38

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Christians

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"
An-Nisaa:171

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Jews

Say (O Muhammad ﷺ): "O you Jews! If you pretend that you are friends of Allah, to the exclusion of (all) other mankind, then long for death if you are truthful."
Al-Jumu'ah:6

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Pantheists

43:15 They assigned a share to Him from His own servants! The human being is clearly denying.

112:3 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten,"
 
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