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If you read the Qur'an in its entirety, you will see that it gives all the details and correct datas about Joseph.

The Hadith books give you a story that is filled with false information. The Gospels in your hand are human writing books of hadith.

The books of hadith consist of many pages and long stories because human beings consist of the fabrication. Just like the fake Bible and the Torah you have.

Again, the only holy book we have is the Quran now.

And real life stories and real names are written only in the Qur'an. It is important to give true knowledge, not short or long description.

Only the Qur'an gives the true life story of Jesus Christ too. For example, it is the only source that tells us that the crucifixion is not stretched.

Only the Qur'an gives the true life story of Jesus Christ too. For example, it is the only source that tells us that the crucifixion is not stretched.

It is the only source that tells you there are no ghosts.

On the other hand, books about ghosts and a lot gods are long and numerous. Like your Bibles...

Regards.
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
If you read the Qur'an in its entirety, you will see that it gives all the details and correct datas about Joseph.
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How do you know that? Real question. How can you corroborate the Yusuf story? Of course you can't. You take it on blind faith.

Surah 12 is an underwhelming, incomplete story that makes little sense and teaches nothing.
The Bible at least has an internally consistent, beautifully crafted story and a message.
Of course the Bible is all wrong - the story is of course invented; there never was an exile in Egypt of the sons of Israel, as there never was an Exodus.
But at least it's a good story.
The Quran story is both an untrue invention AND a bad story.

And by the way: You are breaking through open doors here with your claim that there are no ghosts and spirits. Most here agree with you.
We are one ghost ahead of you though: We realize that the ghost you call Allah also does not exist.
 
Here's a problem with the age of the Earth.

Imagine someone you don't know has put a bowl of random cake mix in the oven and left it cooking. You walk by later and decide it can be taken out because you think it is now ready to eat. So some questions:

1) Exactly when did the cake start cooking? What information do you need to determine your answer? Be as precise as you can.

2) When did the cake finish cooking? Exactly the time you walked by? Ten seconds before that? Thirty seconds before that? It could have cooked for longer maybe? Be as precise as you can.

Go!
 
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Those translations are partially wrong.

You must find Edip Yuksel's translation.

And You should also read other verses about this subject.

Example:

Al Jinn

8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.



Saffat

6. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

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lower heaven = our universe
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You two are arguing about the color of fairy dust. Prove any supernatural being exists and then tie that being to your hack rag. Just because it's in your holy book doesn't make it true.

Gods don't exist and Mohammed was a false prophet.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
If you read the Qur'an in its entirety, you will see that it gives all the details and correct datas about Joseph.

The Hadith books give you a story that is filled with false information. The Gospels in your hand are human writing books of hadith.

The books of hadith consist of many pages and long stories because human beings consist of the fabrication. Just like the fake Bible and the Torah you have.

Again, the only holy book we have is the Quran now.

And real life stories and real names are written only in the Qur'an. It is important to give true knowledge, not short or long description.

Only the Qur'an gives the true life story of Jesus Christ too. For example, it is the only source that tells us that the crucifixion is not stretched.

Only the Qur'an gives the true life story of Jesus Christ too. For example, it is the only source that tells us that the crucifixion is not stretched.

It is the only source that tells you there are no ghosts.

On the other hand, books about ghosts and a lot gods are long and numerous. Like your Bibles...

Regards.
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Every time I try to read the koran I get bored by the rambling insecurities in the first pages. It goes on and on about how it is the perfect word of Allah and if you don't see that you are wrong... because... and if someone else says it isn't they are wrong just because and blah blah blah blah blah. When a book starts off defending itself before you get to the real content then its not worth reading.
 
Hungry81 said:
Every time I try to read the koran I get bored by the rambling insecurities in the first pages. It goes on and on about how it is the perfect word of Allah and if you don't see that you are wrong... because... and if someone else says it isn't they are wrong just because and blah blah blah blah blah. When a book starts off defending itself before you get to the real content then its not worth reading.
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We clearly need a condensed "Cut to the Chase" version of the Quran!
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The Hadith books give you a story that is filled with false information. The Gospels in your hand are human writing books of hadith.

The books of hadith consist of many pages and long stories because human beings consist of the fabrication. Just like the fake Bible and the Torah you have.
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Anything you write is outside the Quran; therefore it is human writing; therefore it is fabrication.

Do please squirm off that hook.
 
Oystein said:
We clearly need a condensed "Cut to the Chase" version of the Quran!
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The Quran not only wastes verses trying to justify itself, it is extremely repetitive. If you removed all the repetitive verses it would reduce the Quran by half. It then has the gall to say nobody could write a surah like it.

Not the words of God, unless God is semi literate.
 
You Christians are aware that the Quran is the only perfect book and you are working on it.

Even in this forum, Christian missionaries are trying to prevent the spread of Islam by using different masks.

They promote themselves as if they are not Christians.

Such strategies must be followed because they are desperate in front of the perfection of the Qur'an.

They introduce themselves as members of another teaching.

This is a sufficient proof of the supremacy of Islam.

So you have to play such games Scorpion.

Peace
 
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You Christians are aware that the Quran is the only perfect book and you are working on it.

Even in this forum, Christian missionaries are trying to prevent the spread of Islam by using different masks.

They promote themselves as if they are not Christians.
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Who are you talking about? I am not aware of any Christians in this thread.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
You Christians are aware that the Quran is the only perfect book and you are working on it.

Even in this forum, Christian missionaries are trying to prevent the spread of Islam by using different masks.

They promote themselves as if they are not Christians.

Such strategies must be followed because they are desperate in front of the perfection of the Qur'an.

They introduce themselves as members of another teaching.

This is a sufficient proof of the supremacy of Islam.

So you have to play such games Scorpion.

Peace
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I'm no xtian and your book of fairy tales isn't any different from any other religions favorite book of fairy tales.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
You Christians are aware that the Quran is the only perfect book and you are working on it.
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An unevidenced generality leading to an absurd claim.

Even in this forum, Christian missionaries are trying to prevent the spread of Islam by using different masks.
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Name one.

They promote themselves as if they are not Christians.
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Another unevidenced claim.

Such strategies must be followed because they are desperate in front of the perfection of the Qur'an.
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Project much? The desperate one is yourself. (Hilite added.)

They introduce themselves as members of another teaching.
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You contradict yourself; see above.

This is a sufficient proof of the supremacy of Islam.
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Your unevidenced assertions prove no such thing.
 
Does this guy actually believe that we are actually Christians, merely pretending to be atheists so we can... well, I don't actually know what the purpose would be!
 
Scorpion has explicitly stated in other threads that he/she is a Christian who is on a mission to persuade Moslems to abandon their religion, which he/she considers evil. So the OP is correct about one of the contributors to this thread.
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
You Christians are aware that the Quran is the only perfect book and you are working on it.

Even in this forum, Christian missionaries are trying to prevent the spread of Islam by using different masks.

They promote themselves as if they are not Christians.

Such strategies must be followed because they are desperate in front of the perfection of the Qur'an.

They introduce themselves as members of another teaching.

This is a sufficient proof of the supremacy of Islam.

So you have to play such games Scorpion.

Peace
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Nope, Grims fairy tales, 1001 Arabian nights and Aesops fables are better written and more entertaining and thus closer to perfection than the Quran or bible.
 
Pixel42 said:
Scorpion has explicitly stated in other threads that he/she is a Christian who is on a mission to persuade Moslems to abandon their religion, which he/she considers evil. So the OP is correct about one of the contributors to this thread.
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I am a he, and I don't remember claiming to be a Christian. I may have said I regard Jesus and the Buddha as great spiritual teachers, and I regard Muhammad as an outright false prophet and liar. But if I am to be classified as anything it would be a spiritualist.
 
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