The Marjorie Taylor Greene thread.

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dudalb said:
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Nonsense. It shows you haven't actually read a word I said.

Hitler had to tolerate the churches for political reasons, but in private he hated them.
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I don't know why you are talking about "churches." That has nothing to do with anything.

I'll say it again: Hitler never killed a jewish person, or put anyone in a gas chamber. He had others do it for him. Christian Germans with families and pets.

Hitler did not carry out the atrocities of WW2. They were carried out, far and away, by German soldiers, who were predominantly Christian. Yes, Hitler planned and ordered it, but they did it. His religious beliefs do not matter to the fact the atrocities of WW2 by the Germans were done by Christians.

I do not insist that Hitler was a hard-core believer, I just contend it doesn't matter what he believed so I don't care. What does matter is that the Christians in Germany thought he was sufficiently Christian for them to support him and go along with his plan.

What he thought in private is irrelevant.
 
pgwenthold said:
Nonsense.
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Did you just call nonsense my declaration that Hitler was neither an atheist nor a super-religious person?

For your information, just because he used religious people doesn't make him religious. Pretty sure he was a theist, but it doesn't mean he was a fanatic or anything.
 
Belz... said:
Did you just call nonsense my declaration that Hitler was neither an atheist nor a super-religious person?

For your information, just because he used religious people doesn't make him religious. Pretty sure he was a theist, but it doesn't mean he was a fanatic or anything.
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He appears to have, in private a sort of vague belief in supernatural forces like "Fate" and "Destinry" but not any specific beleif in a god per se.
 
Belz... said:
Did you just call nonsense my declaration that Hitler was neither an atheist nor a super-religious person?.
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No, I am calling nonsense your agreement with the statement that atheists think he was a super religious person and that christians insist he was atheist.
 
pgwenthold said:
No, I am calling nonsense your agreement with the statement that atheists think he was a super religious person and that christians insist he was atheist.
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Why is it nonsense? I've heard literally countless times Christians claim that Hitler was an atheist, and the opposite argument right here.

So maybe you should expand a bit on that rather than use a single word.
 
Belz... said:
Why is it nonsense? I've heard literally countless times Christians claim that Hitler was an atheist, and the opposite argument right here..
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I think you are distorting what you have heard.

"Hitler was a catholic and never left the church" is a true statement. I'm sure you heard that a lot. But that's not the same as "super duper religious" (seriously, talk to a Catholic). ETA: Yes, you've heard the opposite argument to "Hitler was an atheist" but the opposite of "atheist" is not "super duper religious".

Meanwhile, in a post just above your response, I talked about how Hitler's religious beliefs don't matter, which is similarly not the same as saying super-duper religious. And it shows that it's not important to all atheists to show him as super-duper religious.

Finally, the "Hitler was a catholic" pretty much only shows up in response to assertions that Hitler was an atheist.
 
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pgwenthold said:
I think you are distorting what you have heard.
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You think I haven't heard Christians claim Hitler was a Atheist?

"Hitler was a catholic and never left the church" is a true statement. I'm sure you heard that a lot. But that's not the same as "super duper religious" (seriously, talk to a Catholic)
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Of course it's not. Why would you even bring that up? The point is that many will use the presence of religious people in Nazi Germany as some sort of a proof that Hitler was motivated by Christianity. As I said that view is just as wrong as calling Hitler an Atheist.

Finally, the "Hitler was a catholic" pretty much only shows up in response to assertions that Hitler was an atheist.
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Except that "Hitler counted on the collaboration of Catholics" has bugger all to do with whether he was an Atheist. I know you brought it up as a counter to Joe's claim that the churches were a threat to his power... but in that case it's true. The two were often in opposition.
 
MTG seems to have insulted a Democratic Rep from Arizona, calling him a coward.
THe guy is a ex Marine, who was decorated for valor in Iraq,
here was time when a GOP member who insulted a decorated vet would have been pretty much orstraicised from the party.Not anymore.
 
dudalb said:
MTG seems to have insulted a Democratic Rep from Arizona, calling him a coward.
THe guy is a ex Marine, who was decorated for valor in Iraq,
here was time when a GOP member who insulted a decorated vet would have been pretty much orstraicised from the party.Not anymore.
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When was that? Seems to have been par for the course for several decades now. I mean you have to go back before 2004 at least. Since 2016 they can even go after veterans in their own party.
 
Their god emperor had a multi-day tantrum attacking a silver star family. He regularly said crap about McCain’s service record. He called soldiers killed in combat losers.

This is your GQP.
 
kookbreaker said:
Their god emperor had a multi-day tantrum attacking a silver star family. He regularly said crap about McCain’s service record. He called soldiers killed in combat losers.

This is your GQP.
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Yeah, that swift boat left the dock some time ago.
 
dudalb said:
MTG seems to have insulted a Democratic Rep from Arizona, calling him a coward.
THe guy is a ex Marine, who was decorated for valor in Iraq,
here was time when a GOP member who insulted a decorated vet would have been pretty much orstraicised from the party.Not anymore.
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It's now a mark of honour to be insulted by the likes of Greene.
 
I'll say it again, give Marj a break. It's not like she has anything else to do. Other representatives are doing things like working on committee assignments. Marj is just roaming the hallways doing nothing.
 
MTG is going to be the Bully Brooks of the 21st century,and get into a physical fight wih a Democrat.
 
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