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Merged The MANDELA Effect.

Hellbound said:
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That's not a current scientific theory or law.

That's not even current scientific hypothesis.

At least, not in the way you're interpreting it.

The current many-universes idea isn't about quantum events, but about the effects of the inflation period after the big bang. And in that, the universes are separate from each other and, by definition, can have no interaction. It's something that, by it's very nature, can't even be tested.
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Quantum Phenomena Modeled by Interactions between Many Classical Worlds

"Could Cold Spot in the Sky Be a Bruise from a Collision with a Parallel Universe?"


The many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is not even a theory or hypothesis at all, but an interpretation...akin to a thought experiment, and isn't generally accepted except among those who aren't in the field.
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:rolleyes: They're all interpretations. The leading one is the Copenhagen Interpretation. MWI usually polls around second place, depending on the poll.

In QM, if the math doesn't show it, it's not part of the theory. None of the math shows a many-worlds interpretation on the macro level like you've suggested. Even on the micro level, it's suppositional, not proven by any means.

In any case, you're going past actual QM, through an interpretation, on to an opinion based on that. At best you're two steps removed from any testable, provable science.

It's leprechauns.
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I don't think you know much about QM.
 
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Veliki George said:
OK, it's just approximation based on comments on reddit, some forums and videos. But funny thing is there is a band called They Live Exclamation Point. I wonder how they got their name.
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Online comments are going to be hopelessly biased however. People are of course much more likely to comment online about the topic if their memory is faulty and they think the movie was called "They Live!" (or were prompted into thinking so by seeing an online discussion and other comments about it).

Most people who have never heard of the movie or who correctly remember the movie's name are unaware of these discussions, or don't bother getting involved in such inanity, so trying to conclude how many people really have false memories of movie names based upon a Reddit discussion is an exercise in futility at best, and at worst is going to give you a ridiculously skewed number.
 
Fudbucker said:
Quantum Phenomena Modeled by Interactions between Many Classical Worlds
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Yes. A model, but no test can show that that particular way of modeling represents reality. Map is not territory.

"Could Cold Spot in the Sky Be a Bruise from a Collision with a Parallel Universe?"
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And this type of parallel universe is NOT the same thing you're talking about with merging universes or QI. Categorically different.

:rolleyes: They're all interpretations. The leading one is the Copenhagen Interpretation. MWI usually polls around second place, depending on the poll.
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And the interpretation has **** all to do with any actual predictions of QM. When an actual scientist works with QM, they make their calculations and predictions base don the math; whatever interpretation they prefer doesn't enter into it, whether Copenhagen, many-worlds, or anything else. Those aren't theories or hypothesis. QM is the actual theory, and it's interpretation-independent. It'll give the same answers whatever interpretation you like, as long as you do the math correctly.

I don't think you know much about QM.
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Of course you don't :rolleyes:

And you're right; I'm no expert. But I do know enough about it to recognize nonsense claims. Just because I can see New York on a map doesn't mean it's made of paper and ink.
 
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Me, I remember the Stormtroopers chasing Han and Chewbacca through the Death Star in Episode 4. The head Stormtrooper (Phil) at one point yelled "Close the blast doors!" and they closed, but Han and Chewbacca made it through. Then Phil franically yelled, "Open the blast doors! Open the blast doors!" but too late, and all the Stormtroopers piled into the barrier. Then the lowest-ranking Stormtrooper, Medford, then asked, "Didn't this happen in a Bugs Bunny cartoon?"

Oh, and I remember Han shot Greedo before Greedo drew his weapon, but I saw the movie again recently, and I was wrong both times.

I tell you, those Star Trek movies mess with your mind, man.
 
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theprestige said:
What's your theory?

Faulty memory?
Convergent evolution?
Parallel universes?
Something else?
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I don't really have an explanation. I'm skeptic and I do not believe in anything paranormal. I'm not an expert in physics and I do not know anything about the theory of parallel universes, but I was told that it is impossible just to jump from one universe to another. It does not make any sense that the result is a change in the name of some of the products, movies and other pop cultural stuff.
I would like to believe that this is just a false memory, but so many people remember the movie with an exclamation mark. I can not understand why we all make exactly the same mistake. Where did that exclamation come from?
I've never seen Them! nor other old horror movies.
 
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theprestige said:
Kinda sounds like a paranormal explanation to me. I guess we'll just have to let this thread run its course, to find out.
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What about it is paranormal? We're not talking about ghosts. We're reasonably sure other universes exist and somewhat sure they're causally disconnected from us, but stuff like quantum immortality isn't paranormal, it's just weird. The Many Worlds Interpretation of QM is very weird, but not paranormal in the least. If all these branching universes exist, who's to say we don't occasionally slip in and out of them?
 
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What about it is paranormal? We're not talking about ghosts. We're reasonably sure other universes exist and somewhat sure they're causally disconnected from us, but stuff like quantum immortality isn't paranormal, it's just weird. The Many Worlds Interpretation of QM is very weird, but not paranormal in the least. If all these branching universes exist, who's to say we don't occasionally slip in and out of them?
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Looks like you found the paranormal explanation all by yourself--complete with woo argumentation techinique.

Show me evidence that inter-universe travel happens on a macro scale, and I'll happily agree that branching universes is actually a normal hypothesis.
 
Veliki George said:
I can not understand why we all make exactly the same mistake.
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How many of the people on Reddit or elsewhere who 'remember' an exclamation in the movie 'They Live' actually misremember it that way, and how many only 'remembered' an exclamation point in the movie name after reading about how others misremembered the same exclamation mark?

I think a large part of the supposed phenomena can be explained by it being simply a self-perpetuating online echo chamber filled with credulous woo slingers.

People with no memories, or vague memories, of whether or not Nelson Mandela was alive, or whether or not there's an exclamation mark in a movie name, etc. are simply being prompted into thinking they remember something they don't really remember at all via these online discussions and those of a credulous bent are coming to all sorts of daft conclusions about it and piling on to the discussion, making it seem like there's something to it to more and more people who read about it.

Where did that exclamation come from?
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What was the sequence of events that made you think you'd remembered the name wrong?
 
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Fudbucker said:
Seriously?
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Seriously, but I hit Submit without bothering to complete the thought. I meant that I would accept it as a non-paranormal hypothesis for why people misremember events.

And I love that your "seriously" link is to an interpretation of quantum mechanics. Not an observation, merely a Just So Story to explain why quantum mechanics are so counter-intuitive in macro-scale terms. There's no evidence that many worlds exist. Let alone that people "slip into them" long enough to remember the death of Nelson Mandela, or the `!` at the end of `They Live`. You're taking a narrative intended to help scientists make sense of a somewhat nonsensical physics regime, and trying to turn it into a valid explanation for a macro-level effect with absolutely zero evidence.
 
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JesseCuster said:
How many of the people on Reddit or elsewhere who 'remember' an exclamation in the movie 'They Live' actually misremember it that way, and how many only 'remembered' an exclamation point in the movie name after reading about how others misremembered the same exclamation mark?

I think a large part of the supposed phenomena can be explained by it being simply a self-perpetuating online echo chamber filled with credulous woo slingers.

People with no memories, or vague memories, of whether or not Nelson Mandela was alive, or whether or not there's an exclamation mark in a movie name, etc. are simply being prompted into thinking they remember something they don't really remember at all via these online discussions and those of a credulous bent are coming to all sorts of daft conclusions about it and piling on to the discussion, making it seem like there's something to it to more and more people who read about it.

What was the sequence of events that made you think you'd remembered the name wrong?
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To be honest, I've seen it in a video from some guy called MoneyBags73 who makes ME videos. When I saw it with an exclamation point, I thought that must be it. Then I checked reddit and some other videos and I learned that many others have a similar problem. I consider other ME examples ridiculous, like dilemna because it is dilemma or dilema in every indoeuropean language. But this one is strange.
 
theprestige said:
Seriously, but I hit Submit without bothering to complete the thought. I meant that I would accept it as a non-paranormal hypothesis for why people misremember events.

And I love that your "seriously" link is to an interpretation of quantum mechanics. Not an observation, merely a Just So Story to explain why quantum mechanics are so counter-intuitive in macro-scale terms. There's no evidence that many worlds exist. Let alone that people "slip into them" long enough to remember the death of Nelson Mandela, or the `!` at the end of `They Live`. You're taking a narrative intended to help scientists make sense of a somewhat nonsensical physics regime, and trying to turn it into a valid explanation for a macro-level effect with absolutely zero evidence.
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These interpretations exist because QM is so mind-bendingly weird. I'm taking an interpretation of the collapsing wave-function that many physicists agree with, and suggesting these branching universes might occasionally interact.

There is nothing paranormal about any of that. If there is, then the word doesn't have any meaning.
 
Fudbucker said:
These interpretations exist because QM is so mind-bendingly weird. I'm taking an interpretation of the collapsing wave-function that many physicists agree with, and suggesting these branching universes might occasionally interact.

There is nothing paranormal about any of that. If there is, then the word doesn't have any meaning.
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Suggesting that these parallel universes occasionally interact is the paranormal explanation. There's no evidence that such universes even exist on the macro scale.

You might as well say the ME is caused by time travel.
 
theprestige is actually explaining it better than I was, mainly because I get so tired of hearing the same crap from people who don't understand what they're parroting and lose patience.

This use of the MWI is analogous to someone hearing about Einstein's thought experiment involving the train, then trying to use that as a foundation for an argument that we can look out the train windows.
 
What is being called the Mandela Effect is what is already known as Confabulation and Collective False Memories. For some reason it was recently renamed on the web as the ME, probably just to be catchy. It's also now been given a supernatural or paranormal spin which just isn't there in any academic study of memory. Check out these links...

Collective False Memories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory#Collective_false_memories

Confabulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation?wprov=sfla1
 
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