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Merged The MANDELA Effect.

Drewbot said:
Adding some more zooms and gifs to the question here:
http://dolly.barriereader.co.uk/dolly.html
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Among many things, claims
As a side note, I just noticed how much her teeth change colour through those frames. White to yellowy. Shadow changes tone, not hue.
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Shadows most definitely can change how something looks, Very dramatically so, Case in point:

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The 'Orange' middle cube in shadow is the same color as the brown middle cube on top.

However, I ask the following; Which is more probable? You and "80%" of 'Moonraker' fans quantum leaped into this braceless universe OR You're simply misremembering a single scene from a film over 30 years old?
 
The most logical explanation is that we all hallucinated that braces on Dolly would have been a better connection, so it became part of our memory, simply because the directors SHOULD have put braces on her.

Although, for people to remember actually consciously thinking about the braces connection while watching the movie, adds a thought-conscious level that most ME do not include.
 
Drewbot said:
The most logical explanation is that we all hallucinated that braces on Dolly would have been a better connection, so it became part of our memory, simply because the directors SHOULD have put braces on her.

Although, for people to remember actually consciously thinking about the braces connection while watching the movie, adds a thought-conscious level that most ME do not include.
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A lot of people may be unconsciously filling in a sight gag that would have naturally fit the scene
 
There are probably many people who saw Moonraker on television and have no clue if Dolly had braces or not because of the crappy resolution. The quality of television imagery was really bad and still true even if you rented it on VHS.

The images in the link are 1080 (probably from Blu-ray) and might even have better definition than if you had watched it on the big screen in the theater.
 
Thermal said:
A lot of people may be unconsciously filling in a sight gag that would have naturally fit the scene
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Another issue with trying to get a handle on this ME thing is this: If it's possible to have an incorrect memory, then it's also possible to have an incorrect memory of a memory.

IOW, you can now think that you always thought or "knew" that Dolly has braces - but you really didn't. And once you are informed that it's a common ME then you suddenly and falsely believe that it always did effect you too.
 
William Parcher said:
Another issue with trying to get a handle on this ME thing is this: If it's possible to have an incorrect memory, then it's also possible to have an incorrect memory of a memory.

IOW, you can now think that you always thought or "knew" that Dolly has braces - but you really didn't. And once you are informed that it's a common ME then you suddenly and falsely believe that it always did effect you too.
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Yep. It's turtles all the way down!
 
The Mandela Effect is not all that different from quantum immortality, which is taken seriously by some very smart people, like Max Tegmark.

Perhaps the people who remember "Berenstein Bears" (and I am one of them), died in some universe and the one that branched off had subtle differences.
 
Sometimes stupid ideas are held by smart people. I don't know what quantum immortality is, but The Mandela Effect is a stupid idea.
 
It is a glitch in the programming of the simulation that we are living in!!
 
JesseCuster said:
Sometimes stupid ideas are held by smart people. I don't know what quantum immortality is, but The Mandela Effect is a stupid idea.
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It's the idea that, in some alternative universe, you never die. Basically, an evidenceless assertion of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. Basically, an extension (QI) of an opinion (many worlds) about an aspect (superpositions and waveform collapse) of an actual scientific theory (quantum mechanics).

As we all know, QM is the Kevin Bacon of scientific theories. If you can draw the connection through enough steps, it must be true.

Still not the same, though. QI specifically precludes the idea that any information can cross over the barriers between worlds.

And, considering we already have abundant evidence of the fallible and mutable nature of memory, as well as how it's shaped by shared discussion with others (think repressed memory recovery writ large), positing ME as an explanation for these little inconsistencies is like positing leprechauns as the cause of the missing socks in your dryer.
 
Veliki George said:
I'm very skeptical and I always look for rational explanations. I've been following this phenomenon for a while and it's been very funny and entertaining. Until the movie They live! I clearly remember it with an exclamation mark in the title. It seems like 80 percent of people remember it that way.
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Where did the figure of '80 percent' come from? Were people polled about the subject? I don't believe it for a second.

80% of people in general remember it that way? Doubtful as I doubt 80% of people are even aware of the movie.

80% of people who are aware of the film remember it that way?

80% of people who are fans of the film remember it that way?

Do 80% of people when told to write down the name of the movie "They Live" include an exclamation mark?

If shown a mocked up poster with an exclamation mark in it, do 80% of people not notice there's anything wrong?

If asked if "They Live!" is the correct name of the movie, do 80% of people not identify what's wrong?

If asked if there's an exclamation mark in the title, do 80% of people agree that there is? I wouldn't be surprised at this at all, as it's clearly a loaded question prompting people what to think, and the movie title is in fact an exclamation, so an exclamation mark at the end wouldn't be out of place?

Is the 80% figure simply something you've come up with based upon an informal poll of people you know?

I can't find a rational explanation, but I can't just jump to conclusion that multiverses are merging because some pop cultural references change.
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If you're jumping to the conclusion that 'multiverses are merging' to explain why some people falsely think there's an exclamation mark in the name of a movie, then I would say that's a result of a lack of imagination and/or critical thinking.
 
I am endlessly fascinated by the Mandela Effect. It should prompt people to go, "Hell, its crazy what tricks memory can play?" Instead, in some folks it prompts, "Hell, I must come from a different universe!" Seriously, whether there's a "!" at the end of a movie title is some inexplicable phenomenon rather than a fault of memory? Why is it so hard to except that memory sucks?
 
Hellbound said:
It's the idea that, in some alternative universe, you never die. Basically, an evidenceless assertion of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. Basically, an extension (QI) of an opinion (many worlds) about an aspect (superpositions and waveform collapse) of an actual scientific theory (quantum mechanics).

As we all know, QM is the Kevin Bacon of scientific theories. If you can draw the connection through enough steps, it must be true.

Still not the same, though. QI specifically precludes the idea that any information can cross over the barriers between worlds.

And, considering we already have abundant evidence of the fallible and mutable nature of memory, as well as how it's shaped by shared discussion with others (think repressed memory recovery writ large), positing ME as an explanation for these little inconsistencies is like positing leprechauns as the cause of the missing socks in your dryer.
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Since the current thinking is that we live in an ensemble of an infinite/nearly infinite number of universes, and some of these universes possibly have an effect on us, it's not exactly "leprechauns".
 
JesseCuster said:
Where did the figure of '80 percent' come from? Were people polled about the subject? I don't believe it for a second.

80% of people in general remember it that way? Doubtful as I doubt 80% of people are even aware of the movie.

80% of people who are aware of the film remember it that way?

80% of people who are fans of the film remember it that way?

Do 80% of people when told to write down the name of the movie "They Live" include an exclamation mark?

If shown a mocked up poster with an exclamation mark in it, do 80% of people not notice there's anything wrong?

If asked if "They Live!" is the correct name of the movie, do 80% of people not identify what's wrong?

If asked if there's an exclamation mark in the title, do 80% of people agree that there is? I wouldn't be surprised at this at all, as it's clearly a loaded question prompting people what to think, and the movie title is in fact an exclamation, so an exclamation mark at the end wouldn't be out of place?

Is the 80% figure simply something you've come up with based upon an informal poll of people you know?

If you're jumping to the conclusion that 'multiverses are merging' to explain why some people falsely think there's an exclamation mark in the name of a movie, then I would say that's a result of a lack of imagination and/or critical thinking.
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OK, it's just approximation based on comments on reddit, some forums and videos. But funny thing is there is a band called They Live Exclamation Point. I wonder how they got their name.
 
Fudbucker said:
Since the current thinking is that we live in an ensemble of an infinite/nearly infinite number of universes, and some of these universes possibly have an effect on us, it's not exactly "leprechauns".
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NoTM
That's not a current scientific theory or law.

That's not even current scientific hypothesis.

At least, not in the way you're interpreting it.

The current many-universes idea isn't about quantum events, but about the effects of the inflation period after the big bang. And in that, the universes are separate from each other and, by definition, can have no interaction. It's something that, by it's very nature, can't even be tested.

The many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is not even a theory or hypothesis at all, but an interpretation...akin to a thought experiment, and isn't generally accepted except among those who aren't in the field.

In QM, if the math doesn't show it, it's not part of the theory. None of the math shows a many-worlds interpretation on the macro level like you've suggested. Even on the micro level, it's suppositional, not proven by any means.

In any case, you're going past actual QM, through an interpretation, on to an opinion based on that. At best you're two steps removed from any testable, provable science.

It's leprechauns.
 
Veliki George said:
OK, it's just approximation based on comments on reddit, some forums and videos. But funny thing is there is a band called They Live Exclamation Point. I wonder how they got their name.
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Probably because they live in a world where some people think a faulty memory of a movie title proves the existence of an alternate universe rather than proving faulty human memory.

Just spit balling.

Seriously though, isn't it more likely that people are conflating "Them!" with "They Live"? Or any number of other moves who's title end in "!"
 
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