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No excuse for half a decade of silence. None. It's funny because the "skeptics" and govt "officials" blow off 9/11 because "there was no loss of life"... Well, if no one died and there was no one to rescue from the rubble...WHY DID THEY MOVE THE FREAKING BUILDING BEFORE FIGURING OUT WHY THE ***** IT "COLLAPSED"??? It seems to me the best way to figure out why a building fell is to study the building, but what do I know....

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&st=120&#last

**** all, doggy.
 
Yikes, there's a thread about an 8th grader who is doing a speech/presentation about Do-Over and Loosewiththetruth. On the one hand, this conjured up images of South Park and the Mystery of the Urinal Deuce, with this kid in the role of Kyle.

On the other hand, it simultaneously saddens and infuriates me that twoofers are feeding their garbage to children.


http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2038

It's a famous person speech?!?
Dylan: "Ooo, yeah. Stroke it, highwayman. Stroke it real good!" (His ego, you dirty people.)

edit: It's a golldang infomercial, not a biography. Highwayman, as a presenter, is the definition of "shill".
 
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That's gotta hurt

Even better than the left handed whammy hex!

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11067453

Nothing like triple posting (declaring victory in each post) and then getting debunked in 5 sentences.

Nice job Gravy!

For the LC Forum impaired:

Do Over Dylan said:
Into the FAA's, no. Into other radar screens? Yes. Specifically, at NEADS, the same one that you claim was running NO exercises on 9/11.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/feature...currentPage=all

Powell's question—"Is this real-world or exercise?"—is heard nearly verbatim over and over on the tapes as troops funnel onto the ops floor and are briefed about the hijacking. Powell, like almost everyone in the room, first assumes the phone call is from the simulations team on hand to send "inputs"—simulated scenarios—into play for the day's training exercise.

"When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was 'Somebody started the exercise early,'" Nasypany later told me. The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack in which politically motivated perpetrators commandeer an aircraft, land on a Cuba-like island, and seek asylum. "I actually said out loud, 'The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour,'" Nasypany recalled. (The fact that there was an exercise planned for the same day as the attack factors into several conspiracy theories, though the 9/11 commission dismisses this as coincidence. After plodding through dozens of hours of recordings, so do I.)

08:43:06
FOX: I've never seen so much real-world stuff happen during an exercise.

08:57:11
NASYPANY: Think we put the exercise on the hold. What do you think? [Laughter.]

09:04:50
—I think this is a damn input, to be honest.

So let me clarify. The FAA had no inputs, NEADS did. And, NEADS was running, and I quote, a traditional hijacking scenario exercise.

So, Mark, the following claims you make below:

"1) NEADS ran no war games on 9/11. Reggie got that wrong when he claimed I said that no war games were run at all.
2) No hijacking drills whatsoever were run on 9/11."

You are wrong on both points. NEADS was also participating in Vigilant Guardian.

That'll be one twelve pack of Rolling Rock. Let's see you twist your way out of this one.

Do Over Dylan (Again) said:
I'm sorry...what was that, Mark?

I think I just proved you wrong above.

Apparently he's REALLY proud of himself

Do Over Dylan yet again said:
Wait...wait...what was that, Mark? NEADS ran no exercises at all on 9/11?

That's a joke, right?

08:43:06
FOX: I've never seen so much real-world stuff happen during an exercise.
http://www.vanityfair.com/mp3/politics/084306.mp3

08:57:11
NASYPANY: Think we put the exercise on the hold. What do you think? [Laughter.]

As Major Kevin Nasypany, the facility's mission-crew commander, drove up the hill to work on the morning of 9/11, he was dressed in his flight suit and prepared for battle. Not a real one. The Northeast Air Defense Sector (neads), where Nasypany had been stationed since 1994, is the regional headquarters for the North American Aerospace Defense Command (norad), the Cold War–era military organization charged with protecting North American airspace. As he poured his first coffee on that sunny September morning, the odds that he would have to defend against Russian "Bear Bombers," one of norad's traditional simulated missions, were slim. Rather, Nasypany (pronounced Nah-sip-a-nee), an amiable commander with a thick mini-mustache and a hockey player's build, was headed in early to get ready for the norad-wide training exercise he'd helped design.

To complete the triple post. It appears that he can hardly contain himself.

Gravy@LC said:
Try again, Dylan.

The exercise was scheduled to start at 9:00. One hijacking exercise was scheduled to be run after that.

For a second, when the FAA reported the flight 11 hijacking, several people at NEADS thought the exercise was off to a surprise early start, including Nasypany. It wasn't, as the FAA controller immediately made clear. It was real world.

No exercise, no injects. Just a real hijacking.

If you don't believe me then I suggest you speak with Nasypany.

It's very, very disturbing that you don't know this.

I'm off for the night.

How long will it take Dylan to realize that the planned exercises were cancelled, not conducted?
 
Dylan put it in his signature to show the world his amazing victory over Gravy:

Mark Roberts: NEADS ran no war games on 9/11. No hijacking drills whatsoever were run on 9/11.

Kevin Nasypany of NEADS: "When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was somebody started the exercise early," The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack. "I actually said out loud, The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour"

Mark Roberts: No, I said, no exercises were run before 9:00 AM...

Honestly, what grades did he get for high school english?
 
I give Mr. Avery an "F" for comprehension skills based on his misinterpretation of the quote he uses in his signature.

TAM
 
I just got banned for questioning it * rolls eyes* bunch of fricken 5 year olds argueing over lollies.

My question was they are implying that Nasypany is lying or covering up something and that the operations went ahead (the terrorist attack) without them actually saying it, but rather implying. Intersting to note they see trying to catch Gravy out on what he may or may not say as more important then whats actually being said. You guys know what I mean.

God dylan, grow up, banned for that? Please...
 
I think Dylan realizes he made an oopsie!

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11069086

Maybe you couldn't read Mark's original statement correctly.

He said NEADS ran no exercises, and that no hijacking drills were scheduled for 9/11.

NEADS had a hijacking drill, scheduled for 9/11.

Just because it was allegedly called off at 9:00 AM doesn't mean it never existed.

Dylan either has severe reading comprehension issues, or is just very dishonest.

I believe that Gravy stated that no hijacking drills were run on 9/11.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11066430

Gravy@LC said:
IVXX, your reading comprehension is lacking. About Reggie's signature I said

1) NEADS ran no war games on 9/11. Reggie got that wrong when he claimed I said that no war games were run at all.

2) No hijacking drills whatsoever were run on 9/11.

(bolding mine)

Dylan's signature is a beacon to either his intellectual incompletence or dishonesty (possibly both).

Why do the truthers buy into Louder Than Words when their leaders repeatedly demonstrate that they are dishonest and/or have severe reading comprehension issues?
 
I just got banned for questioning it * rolls eyes* bunch of fricken 5 year olds argueing over lollies.

My question was they are implying that Nasypany is lying or covering up something and that the operations went ahead (the terrorist attack) without them actually saying it, but rather implying. Intersting to note they see trying to catch Gravy out on what he may or may not say as more important then whats actually being said. You guys know what I mean.

God dylan, grow up, banned for that? Please...


I'm right there with ya. I asked one question...on my very first post there and was instantly banned. One of the lil pipsqueeks asked for a photo that showed the huge gapping hole in WTC7 (which obviously doesn't exist) and I asked for irrefutable proof that the hole didn't exist...given the accounts of the firefighters said it was indeed there.

POOF!...I was banned.

They're babies. Nothing more. A bunch of babies.
 
More PROOF of bombs...someone heard a 'crack' just as the towers started collapsing...

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2420


Shillan Avery said:
Hell of a structural failure to make a sudden CRACK! and thump people's chests almost 1 mile away.


If I wasn't banned I'd say to him...

'Yes... One hell of a structual failure; It brought the skyscraper down, didn't you see?'




Anyhoo...

A crack...A bloody cracking noise...is now proof of a CD.

I hate them.
 
I just got banned for questioning it * rolls eyes* bunch of fricken 5 year olds argueing over lollies.

My question was they are implying that Nasypany is lying or covering up something and that the operations went ahead (the terrorist attack) without them actually saying it, but rather implying. Intersting to note they see trying to catch Gravy out on what he may or may not say as more important then whats actually being said. You guys know what I mean.

God dylan, grow up, banned for that? Please...

This is what i call a very well earned KIA Badge,
Hellaeon - and the reason why we have these Badges.

Wear it proudly: :)

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eddyk said:
More PROOF of bombs...someone heard a 'crack' just as the towers started collapsing...

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...showtopic=2420


Originally Posted by Shillan Avery
Hell of a structural failure to make a sudden CRACK! and thump people's chests almost 1 mile away.

If I wasn't banned I'd say to him...

'Yes... One hell of a structual failure; It brought the skyscraper down, didn't you see?'




Anyhoo...

A crack...A bloody cracking noise...is now proof of a CD.

I hate them.
Quite ridiculous, isn't it?

I watched the video, and Do-Over is still no better at accurately portraying what people actually say in what he writes in his posts (or his videos).

They say they were first at that location when they got off the subway and saw the first tower on fire;
then they "had stuff to do and we did it";
then "we were just walking back" (in the direction of the WTC, not away from it) and heard the second plane hit and saw the fire ball;
later they heard the second plane hit and saw the fireball,
they continue walking back "just watching it";
then they hear "like a crack";
the male says "then the building just slid off diagonally" and the female corrects him, saying "no" and the male says "no, but you could hear it"
the male says "I thought I could feel it in my chest but I don't know if that was just.." interrupted by the female saying, "just panic" - "then the male continuing, "...my heart near popping or what"

In any event, it is obvious that the couple was not sure where they were at the time of the "crack" and yet Do-Over proclaims their location as though he is certain of it.

He then says that the distance from the location that he decides they were at is .64 miles from the tower.

And in his usual sensationalist fashion, he inserts exclamation points into the text in order to give it the meaning that he wants it to have rather tha nthe meaning it actually has. If you watch the video, it is obvious that there were no exclamatatory statements where he inserts the gratuitous punctuation.

And in his usual sloppy fashion, non-scientific fashion, he concludes that .64 miles is "almost a mile".

(Incidentally, it is not at all clear where they were exactly at the time, as the female estimates it as "we weren't that close but we were pretty close" and the male estimates it as "about 20 blocks away.")

My point is that Do-Over must really believe that twoofers will just take his word for whatever distortions he puts on things, including divining the couple's location and stating it as a fact, quoting them selectively and inserting gratuitous punctuation to serve his own purposes, posting it as though it's some kind of revelation, without even bothering to get their words right.

And he's probably right.
 
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I was.

One question...first post ever...asked for irrefutable evidence. Banned for life.

Is that not worthy and honorable?
 
I was.

One question...first post ever...asked for irrefutable evidence. Banned for life.

Is that not worthy and honorable?

This is indeed very honorable. I´m sorry that the
"First Post Banned"-Badges aren´t ready yet - so
i give you the "crown of honor"-Badge. :)

Wear it proudly to every formal ceremony:

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hahaha that badge is pretty funny....

It *may* have been roxdog, since I caught him out on insinuating gravy was a freemason, but hey even if it was, they twist and distort truths so I will too
 

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