The latest Rapture Ready antics...

[Yahweh]

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33% is the largest percentage of any one religion in the world. It's even bigger than Islam. After seeing how atheism only at %2.5, I would like to see Christians explain this "atheist crowd" which is apparently some kind of majority that persecutes them.

[billiefan]

How can you be sure all those atheists are even true atheists? Maybe Atheists really are the majority, they just dont want to admit it!

[/billiefan]

 

[ceo_esq]

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Ah, the old 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.

An oldy but a goody.

I don't think this is actually an example of NTS, which implies an ad hoc change in definition.

BillieFan hasn't shifted the terms here; his definition of "Christian" has always been a narrow one.

 

[Roadtoad]

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I don't think this is actually an example of NTS, which implies an ad hoc change in definition.

BillieFan hasn't shifted the terms here; his definition of "Christian" has always been a narrow one.

But what scares me is that he seems to groove on that narrow definition, and enjoys the thought of other people suffering for eternity in Hell.

That, it would seem to me, would disqualify him for Heaven right off the top. But then, maybe not, considering the "God" he worships.

 

[RussDill]

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Oops, I should have checked my information first.

From Religious Tolerence - Religions of the world: numbers:


So there are 2 billion Christians in the world... but I'm sure all but 144,000 of them arent actually true Christians .

Man that site is cool. I loved following the links around to all the christian groups that did studies to try to prove that atheists had no morals. (15 points if you can show which group had more morals in their study (crime rates, divorce rates, etc))

I didn't find one on homosexuality, but I'm willing to bet, that someone who is a homosexual is just as likely to be an atheist or a theist. I in fact work with someone who is a hard core, right winder, christian fundementalist homosexual.

 

[c4ts]

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[billiefan]

How can you be sure all those atheists are even true atheists? Maybe Atheists really are the majority, they just dont want to admit it!

[/billiefan]

You might as well resort to a conspiracy theory because there's no evidence for that whatsoever.

 

[DarkPrimus]

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You might as well resort to a conspiracy theory because there's no evidence for that whatsoever.

Well, of COURSE there isn't any evidence! Atheists just want to be the persecuted minority!

 

[the_ignored]

I love how they try to fit anything into their "end times" scenario:

For instance, in a thread about some potential new medical progress here, someone posted this

quote from bernieol:
Also, there is some belief that the Antichrist will recover from a mortal wound.....maybe this a step in allowing that to happen.
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Oh my goodness!
You are SO right! THIS breakthrough in modern medicine could very well be how the AC recovers from a MORTAL head wound!
It may not be such a supernatural miracle after all, it could just be due to MAN'S increased knowledge of medicine and unquenchible quest for longevity.

 

[c4ts]

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Well, of COURSE there isn't any evidence! Atheists just want to be the persecuted minority!

Then don't persecute them because you will only be helping them out.

 

[rdaneel]

I love how they try to fit anything into their "end times" scenario:

Recent Wired article

Meanwhile, Applied Digital has attracted scorn from some fundamentalist Christians, who believe that VeriChip is the fabled "mark of the beast" of biblical lore. According to the book of Revelation, Satan will someday force people to "receive a mark" on their hands or foreheads in order to buy or sell.

"This is a gigantic step toward the mark of the beast, " said Gary Wohlscheid, whose website, These Last Days Ministries, keeps tabs on what many Christians believe are the signs of a coming religious Armageddon. His site is one of dozens that link VeriChip to the apocalyptic prophecy.

 

[billiefan2000]

El Greco...

Maybe 144,000 is just the current capacity of Paradise. You wouldn't want a crowded paradise with fat guys accidentaly stepping on your foot, would you ? And foul smell of sweat all over the place, eh ?

But maybe there are plans to expand the facilities or rent new ones. Renting the Maracana stadium for example would increase Paradise's capacity by 100,000.

Just an idea...

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The 2 witnesses and the 144,000 will be preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ after the Rapture of the Church happens



During the first half of the 7 year Tribulation Period, two men will prophesy for 42 months (3 1/2 years).

They have the power to shut up the sky from sending rain during the time of their prophesying, turn water into blood, and smite the earth with plagues (Rev. 11:6).

At the end of the 42 months, the Antichrist will kill them and they will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half days.

Then God will resurrect them and they will be caught up into heaven with their enemies beholding them (Rev. 11:7-12).

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[Pahansiri]

Re: El Greco...

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The 2 witnesses and the 144,000 will be preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ after the Rapture of the Church happens



During the first half of the 7 year Tribulation Period, two men will prophesy for 42 months (3 1/2 years).

They have the power to shut up the sky from sending rain during the time of their prophesying, turn water into blood, and smite the earth with plagues (Rev. 11:6).

At the end of the 42 months, the Antichrist will kill them and they will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half days.

Then God will resurrect them and they will be caught up into heaven with their enemies beholding them (Rev. 11:7-12).

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Funny you say the “devil” also knows the Bible well but yet he is the only one who does not know he gets it in the end?

Not too smart he has the game plan, the script right in his hand but does not make the simple changes needed to win.

 

[Roadtoad]

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Funny you say the “devil” also knows the Bible well but yet he is the only one who does not know he gets it in the end?

Not too smart he has the game plan, the script right in his hand but does not make the simple changes needed to win.

You know, that's one of the things I kept running into. I never could figure out why Satan, knowing he's going to get his @$$ whupped, didn't just give up and kick back with a Corona on the beach at Mazatlan. "Hi, I'm Satan, Lord of the Damned. I'm retired. How 'bout you?"

 

[rdaneel]

I once thought up a gag newscast on that subject.

"In a surprise move, Lucifer Morningstar has announced that he will not be participating in the upcoming Apocalypse. In a statement released today, The Prince of Darkness revealed that he was boycotting Armageddon due to a rigged outcome.
No comment yet from God."

 

[Yahweh]

Re: El Greco...

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The 2 witnesses and the 144,000 will be preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ after the Rapture of the Church happens



During the first half of the 7 year Tribulation Period, two men will prophesy for 42 months (3 1/2 years).

They have the power to shut up the sky from sending rain during the time of their prophesying, turn water into blood, and smite the earth with plagues (Rev. 11:6).

At the end of the 42 months, the Antichrist will kill them and they will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half days.

Then God will resurrect them and they will be caught up into heaven with their enemies beholding them (Rev. 11:7-12).

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Billiefan, here's a serious question:

Why do you believe the bible?

 

[Yahweh]

Sparknotes: New Testament - Revelation:

Introduction

The Book of Revelation is strikingly different from the rest of the New Testament. It is populated by winged and wild creatures, locust plagues, and seven-headed beasts. Revelation is filled with obscure and fantastic symbolism, and it teems with mystical references. However, it lacks any real internal structure. Unlike the other New Testament books, which tend to mix narrative with sermon-style preaching, Revelation is essentially a long, uninterrupted record of a mystical vision, offering little interpretation for its intricate symbols. Revelation has been read for thousands of years as a code that, properly interpreted, can reveal the secrets of history and the end of the world. The numbers and symbols in Revelation have been read into any number of traumatic events in ancient and modern history.

Revelation was a product of this time of early growth and confusion, but also of a long Jewish tradition of apocalyptic literature. The Old Testament books of Ezekiel and Zechariah contain long apocalyptic segments. The most famous Old Testament apocalypse, the Book of Daniel, was written circa 165 b.c.. The apocalyptic genre became more popular after 70 a.d., when the apocryphal apocalypses, 2 Baruch and 4 Ezra, were written in response to the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by Roman armies. There is enough apocalyptic literature that it can be classified as a genre of its own, with its own particular characteristics. Some of these common features are revelations made to a human emissary through a supernatural agency, heavy symbolism, numerology with obscure significance, extravagant imagery, and concern about a cataclysmic day of judgment or the end of the world. Apocalyptic literature tends to take a deterministic view of history—that is, apocalypses are generally driven by the belief that history inexorably follows a set path ordained by God. All of these characteristics of the apocalyptic genre are present in Revelation.

Summary

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Before the breaking of the seventh seal, an angel marks 144,000 people—12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel—with the seal of God to protect them from the coming devastation. Other righteous people, too, are to be saved: a “great multitude . . . [of people] from all the tribes and peoples and languages” have cleansed themselves and they, too, will be protected (7:9). Finally, it is time to open the seventh seal (8:1). But the opening of the seal is anticlimactic; when it is opened, it is revealed that there are seven trumpets that need to be blown. Four of the trumpets blow, each bringing with it disaster and destruction, with fire falling from the sky (8:6–12). With the fifth trumpet, the chimney leading out of the Abyss is unlocked, and bizarre locusts emerge in the smoke, stinging anyone unmarked by God’s seal. The sixth trumpet unleashes a vast troop of cavalry who kill “a third of humankind” (9:18). However, the survivors nevertheless refuse to stop worshipping idols and behaving immorally. An angel descends from heaven, announcing the imminent fulfillment of “the mystery of God” with the blowing of the seventh trumpet (10:7).

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Analysis

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Revelation’s heavy use of imagination and provocative symbolism is central to its rhetorical power. Revelation turns to poetics and aesthetics to depict the imperial city of Rome as a beast, stating that “its feet were like a bear’s and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth” (13:2). The beast has ten horns and seven heads and carries on its back “Babylon the great, mother of whores, and of the earth’s abominations” (17:5).

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John’s potent imagery is not only a “call for the endurance and faith of the saints” (13:10), but it also tries to move the audience to a decision to turn away from the beast “so that you do not take part in her sins” (18:4), and instead to turn toward the God of justice who “will wipe away every tear from their eyes” (21:4). Revelation persuades Christians to stake their lives on that decision. In Babylon, everything is for sale. John does not hedge about the immorality of such disparities between the rich and the poor. When Babylon is destroyed, neither God, Christ, the saints, the apostles, nor the prophets mourn. Those who are upset are “the merchants of the earth” (18:11) and “all whose trade is on the sea” (18:17). In addition, “the kings of the earth, who committed fornication and lived in luxury with her will weep and wail” (18:9).

 

[BroodingSkill]

You know, that's one of the things I kept running into. I never could figure out why Satan, knowing he's going to get his @$$ whupped, didn't just give up and kick back with a Corona on the beach at Mazatlan. "Hi, I'm Satan, Lord of the Damned. I'm retired. How 'bout you?"

Actually it's Vegas baby, hanging out, making time with the demon chics, wishing Frank and the pack were still around, well what can ya do?

But seriously...



Roadtoads post is certainly one of the best I've read this year. (the one where you were talking about what your belief cost you)When I finally let go of all religous and woo woo belief, I realized that morality and virtue were not the sole property of religion. I choose to make my own way, not relying on some words in a book or what others tell me is the right thing to do, say or think. I will not do whats right just to secure my little corner in paradise, or out of fear of some being I've never seen, I'll do it because I have empathy for my fellow man, or to right an obvious injustice.

We have to live our own lives in the here and now. I have nothing against Billiefan or any other believer for that matter. They have made their choice. I don't go looking to change their ways, I might make a few challenges now and then, or ask a question, but in the end I don't care what they believe.

They have to reach the point of questioning their beliefs on their own, no one can force them to. If they never do than so be it.

 

[Roadtoad]

Actually it's Vegas baby, hanging out, making time with the demon chics, wishing Frank and the pack were still around, well what can ya do?

But seriously...

Gotta say, love the avatar, BS. (Coop rocks!)

 

[c4ts]

Unfortunately, I have uncovered some unusual truths about atheists. Most of them belong to the Illuminata, but don't even realize it. The Illuminata like to select their members by driving men paranoid by irradiating their food, then letting the victims point out who they think are in. So most atheists don't realize they're in the Illuminata, and even fewer athiests realize they are atheists. What look like non-baptist Christian establishments are really secret subliminal message transmission centers to their atheist members. With the help of mind control technology developed by Tesla and grey aliens woo woo woo woo woo cloaking device woo woo woo woo conspiracy woo woo psychics woo woo mediums woo woo woo woo woo... JESUS HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED BY DEVIL WORSHIPPING ALIEN WITCHES LED BY CHARLES DARWIN!!!

 

[Roadtoad]

Unfortunately, I have uncovered some unusual truths about atheists. Most of them belong to the Illuminata, but don't even realize it. The Illuminata like to select their members by driving men paranoid by irradiating their food, then letting the victims point out who they think are in. So most atheists don't realize they're in the Illuminata, and even fewer athiests realize they are atheists. What look like non-baptist Christian establishments are really secret subliminal message transmission centers to their atheist members. With the help of mind control technology developed by Tesla and grey aliens woo woo woo woo woo cloaking device woo woo woo woo conspiracy woo woo psychics woo woo mediums woo woo woo woo woo... JESUS HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED BY DEVIL WORSHIPPING ALIEN WITCHES LED BY CHARLES DARWIN!!!

SHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Keep it down! Do you want Billiefan to find out!?!?!

 

[Some Friggin Guy]

Unfortunately, I have uncovered some unusual truths about atheists. Most of them belong to the Illuminata, but don't even realize it. The Illuminata like to select their members by driving men paranoid by irradiating their food, then letting the victims point out who they think are in. So most atheists don't realize they're in the Illuminata, and even fewer athiests realize they are atheists. What look like non-baptist Christian establishments are really secret subliminal message transmission centers to their atheist members. With the help of mind control technology developed by Tesla and grey aliens woo woo woo woo woo cloaking device woo woo woo woo conspiracy woo woo psychics woo woo mediums woo woo woo woo woo... JESUS HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED BY DEVIL WORSHIPPING ALIEN WITCHES LED BY CHARLES DARWIN!!!

I don't believe it! I don't think they would have taken the time away from their covert recruitment by means of Dungeons and Dragons.