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The latest Rapture Ready antics...

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Chanileslie said:


Ah then it should be corrected to state, billiefan doesn't understand what he reads.

Oh, he understands it, even. He simply chooses to ignore what it is he's read. Either that, or he dismisses it with a sanctimonious wave of his hand, declaring that the writer is simply displaying his hatred of the sacred. He's far worse than an ignoramus: Billiefan is the embodiment of prejudice and bigotry.

Think of him as Jedi Knight in Assemblies of God drag.
 
thanks Truthseeker...

TruthSeeker said:
I have to give them credit for a couple of interesting threads about Joyce Meyer. She's a televangelist. I've never seen her show. The posters are on to her being a money-hungry fraud. Others who trusted her are expressing a sense of betrayal. It is interesting and honest, I think. It would be like the posters here finding out Randi uses a psychic to plan his life.


I and many others are onto her and others like her,but sadly there arent enough people who know the truth to expose them for what they are doing,but I am hoping Meyer and others get exposed the way frauds like Richard Eby and Robert Tilton and Peter Popoff and Jim Baker and others were busted.



Truthseeker,if you check out:

http://www.levitt.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=005998


it isnt just the RR who is onto the TBN Preachers con games. Some on the ZOLA LEVITT BOARDS are onto Joyce Meyer's scam's as well.



also:

http://www.christian-witness.org/not_in_pubs/drjoyce.html

explains why Joyce Meyer isnt a Doctor as some call her sometimes and is something everyone here should read.
 
c4...

c4ts said:
And they kicked me off for posting evidence that Christians were a majority in the United States.


Since when is Christians a Majority in the USA.


Unless you count Lukewarm Christians like the Gay Preachers in the Episcopal and Catholic Churches and those on TBN who commit fraud and bunko in the name of God as Christians than yes,Christians are a Majority in the USA.
 
So catholics are not christians? I that catholics tend to disagree.
 
geni...

geni said:
So catholics are not christians? I that catholics tend to disagree.

Catholics who believe Jesus Christ is the Son of GOd are Christians.

You see some Protestants and Catholics dont believe in what John 14:6 says:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


How can you be considered a Christian if you dont believe what John 14:6 says.


Look,I have no beef with Catholics or any Christian Group

I only have a problem with anyone who claims to be Christian,whether they be Baptists or Catholics or Methodists or any other Christian Group that dont believe what John 14:6 says
 
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billiefan2000 said:



Since when is Christians a Majority in the USA.


Unless you count Lukewarm Christians like the Gay Preachers in the Episcopal and Catholic Churches and those on TBN who commit fraud and bunko in the name of God as Christians than yes,Christians are a Majority in the USA.

Ah, the old 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.

An oldy but a goody.
 
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Nyarlathotep said:


Ah, the old 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.

An oldy but a goody.

I guess I fit into Billiefan's "Lukewarm" crowd. Or not. (Notice, he never answered what I said earlier. No surprise.)
 
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Roadtoad said:


I guess I fit into Billiefan's "Lukewarm" crowd. Or not. (Notice, he never answered what I said earlier. No surprise.)

I think his definition of "Lukewarm Christian" is "anyone who isn't a slack-jawed frothing at the mouth fundie", since you strikeme as neither slack jawed, nor frothing at the mouth, nor a fundie, I would suppose that you are right.
 
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Nyarlathotep said:


I think his definition of "Lukewarm Christian" is "anyone who isn't a slack-jawed frothing at the mouth fundie", since you strikeme as neither slack jawed, nor frothing at the mouth, nor a fundie, I would suppose that you are right.

Nyarlathotep,I consider a Lukewarm Christian to be those who dont take their Christian Faith seriously.

It dont mean you have to be a fundie to be a real Christian,you just got to take your faith seriously somewhat.


Most TBN Preachers and Most Liberal Preachers in the Churches I consider to be Lukewarm cause they dont believe what they preach.


If you want 2 examples of Lukewarm Christians:


Joyce Meyer and Benny Hinn
 
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billiefan2000 said:


Nyarlathotep,I consider a Lukewarm Christian to be those who dont take their Christian Faith seriously.

In what ways are you not lukewarm?
 
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billiefan2000 said:
Since when is Christians a Majority in the USA.

Unless you count Lukewarm Christians like the Gay Preachers in the Episcopal and Catholic Churches and those on TBN who commit fraud and bunko in the name of God as Christians than yes,Christians are a Majority in the USA.

Billiefan, let me explain something to you, and I hope you will understand what I'm trying to say (I'd say this on the Rapture boards, but someone told the forum administrators that new user Vendyokus is bad apples...):

Yes, Billiefan, Christianity is a majority in America. But you kids at RaptureReady are different. You Rapture Kids are the minority, you constantly feel like you are claim to be persecuted for your beliefs (actually, you are being persecuted for your character... it sounds crazy, but people like me dont take kindly to people like you who try to justify prejudice in the name of religion), you kids are no different than any other appocalyptic cult you could find in the world. I'll tell you what Christianity is:

Christianity is a religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
(source: Dictionary.com)

That is Christianity, and Christianity is a majority in the United States. There are nearly 1 billion Christians in the world, Christianity is among one of the top 5 Religions in the world.

You dont have any concept of what a real Christian is...

Billiefan, read this post I made fairly recently. Its something very important, its specifically for all you and the Rapture Kids can read.

Billiefan, I'm not certain but I've gathered that you happen to live fairly close to my location in the US. I'd like to chat with you in person, I'm afraid you skim over the things that I type.

Believe me, if I wasnt banned from the RaptureReady boards already, I'd still be posting there. I could challenge everybodies beliefs in the Rapture, Jesus, Tribulations, and all sorts of bible mumbo-jumbo.

No, I have nothing against you at all, I would just like to see you make some sense of your backwards beliefs (you can start by asking "How old is the Earth", "If God exists, who made God", "How accurate and complete is the bible", etc. etc. etc.).
 
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Yahweh said:


Billiefan, let me explain something to you, and I hope you will understand what I'm trying to say (I'd say this on the Rapture boards, but someone told the forum administrators that new user Vendyokus is bad apples...):

Yes, Billiefan, Christianity is a majority in America. But you kids at RaptureReady are different. You Rapture Kids are the minority, you constantly feel like you are claim to be persecuted for your beliefs (actually, you are being persecuted for your character... it sounds crazy, but people like me dont take kindly to people like you who try to justify prejudice in the name of religion), you kids are no different than any other appocalyptic cult you could find in the world. I'll tell you what Christianity is:

Christianity is a religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
(source: Dictionary.com)

That is Christianity, and Christianity is a majority in the United States. There are nearly 1 billion Christians in the world, Christianity is among one of the top 5 Religions in the world.

You dont have any concept of what a real Christian is...

Hate to do this, but I feel a need to jump in here before I scream my lungs out.

At 43 years of age, I am looking back on my 20+ years in Christianity, and wondering if that time was wasted. Granted, I met my beautiful and gracious wife, Peggy, through the Church, and we raised our kids in the Church, but at the same time, I look back at our beliefs, and what they led us to, and I have got to wonder if I did the right thing.

Not take the kids out trick or treating on Halloween? Maybe not such a hot idea in a day and age when pedophiles are treated as "sick," rather than criminal, but in some of the communities where we've lived, maybe that wouldn't have been such a bad thing. What does it hurt to go around and collect candy, (or pass it out), and then scarf it down until you're comatose? A childhood activity we've all grown up with is an evil? Why?

No Santa Claus? No Tooth Fairy, or Easter Bunny? When we're dealing with little kids, why wouldn't you teach them that there are generous people out there, and they should be one, too. Once they're old enough, why not reveal to the kids that it's a good thing to give?

No booze? No beer? No wine? Why? To excess is frowned upon by everyone, regardless of religious belief? Why is it so evil to have a beer when you're a believer? Maybe I'd have been a gentler man, and a kinder one, if I'd taken the time to have a beer with a friend, instead of telling him what Jesus did for me, and why I can't go around polluting my body.

Why does everything need to have a religious background to it? What's the point? What's truly been gained by my "belief?" Have I won anyone over to a better life? Or have I simply led others into a self-induced delusion, that by playing these games, I can somehow influence God into allowing me into His presence, and maybe permitting me to exist in an eternity which isn't so hostile. (If you ask me, that sounds a lot like witchcraft.)

What have I given my kids? Do they really know how much I love them? Or are they simply accepting me because by accident of birth, I'm their Dad?

Let's face it: Billiefan will not see this. There's no reason to. Right now, things are stylin', and he's got his place reserved on the corner of Hallelujah Square.

Let's see how things look in a few years, when things really matter.
 
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Yahweh said:





That is Christianity, and Christianity is a majority in the United States. There are nearly 1 billion Christians in the world, Christianity is among one of the top 5 Religions in the world.


Last time I checked there were about 900million catholics alone total number of christians was over the 1.5 billion mark.
 
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geni said:
Last time I checked there were about 900million catholics alone total number of christians was over the 1.5 billion mark.

Oops, I should have checked my information first.

From Religious Tolerence - Religions of the world: numbers:
Religion
Christianity

Date Founded
30 CE

Sacred Texts
The Bible

Membership
2,015 million

% of World
33% (dropping)

So there are 2 billion Christians in the world... but I'm sure all but 144,000 of them arent actually true Christians :D.
 
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billiefan2000 said:
You see some Protestants and Catholics dont believe in what John 14:6 says:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

How can you be considered a Christian if you dont believe what John 14:6 says.

I only have a problem with anyone who claims to be Christian,whether they be Baptists or Catholics or Methodists or any other Christian Group that dont believe what John 14:6 says
What about all the rest of the same book? Shouldn't they believe in that too?
 
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billiefan2000 said:
Catholics who believe Jesus Christ is the Son of GOd are Christians.

You see some Protestants and Catholics dont believe in what John 14:6 says:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


How can you be considered a Christian if you dont believe what John 14:6 says.

Have you actually read the bible?

The bible contradicts itself everwhere as to what gets you salvation.

<table style="font-size:10pt;" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%" align="left" valign="top">Salvation by faith alone:
Mk.16:16
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Jn.3:18, 36
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

Acts 16:30-31
"Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

Rom.1:16-17
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God salvation to every one that believeth .... As it is written, The just shall live by faith."

Rom.3:20
"By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight."

Rom.3:28
"A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

Rom.4:2
"For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory?"

Rom.4:13
"For the promise ... was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith."

Rom.5:1
"Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Gal.2:16
"A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ."

Gal.3:11-12
"The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith."

Eph.2:8-9
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
</td><td width="50%" align="left" valign="top">Salvation is by works alone
Ps.62:12
"For you render to each one according to his works."

Jer.17:10
"I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

Mt.12:37
"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

Mt.16:27
"For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works."

Mt.19:17
"If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Lk.10:26-28
"He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live."

Jn.5:29
"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Rom.2:6, 13
"Who 'will render to each one according to his deeds'. For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified."

2 Cor.5:10
"For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."

2 Cor.11:15
"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works."

Jas.2:14
"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?"

Jas.2:17
"Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."

Jas.2:21-25
"Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rabab the harlot also justified by works? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

1 Pet.1:17
"The Father, who without pariality judges according to each one's work."
</td></tr></table>

Most people like me suggest taking an allegorical approach to understanding the bible, taking a literal approach will only get you nowhere (and it would put you in prison if you actually did everything God commanded you to do...).

Look,I have no beef with Catholics or any Christian Group

I only have a problem with anyone who claims to be Christian,whether they be Baptists or Catholics or Methodists or any other Christian Group that dont believe what John 14:6 says
What about those who dont believe in the Creation story, a big Flood, a talking Bush, or any of the supernatural aspects of the Bible?
 
Yahweh said:
(and it would put you in prison if you actually did everything God commanded you to do...).

That's the persecution REAL CHRISTIANS have to face.
 
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Yahweh said:


Oops, I should have checked my information first.

From Religious Tolerence - Religions of the world: numbers:


So there are 2 billion Christians in the world... but I'm sure all but 144,000 of them arent actually true Christians :D.

33% is the largest percentage of any one religion in the world. It's even bigger than Islam. After seeing how atheism only at %2.5, I would like to see Christians explain this "atheist crowd" which is apparently some kind of majority that persecutes them.
 
Because only the little itty bitty sect I'm involved in are true Christians, the rest have all been seduced by satan (which is pretty useful if only 144,000 are going to be saved anyway)
 
Maybe 144,000 is just the current capacity of Paradise. You wouldn't want a crowded paradise with fat guys accidentaly stepping on your foot, would you ? And foul smell of sweat all over the place, eh ?

But maybe there are plans to expand the facilities or rent new ones. Renting the Maracana stadium for example would increase Paradise's capacity by 100,000.

Just an idea...
 

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