The Jan. 6 Investigation

[Upchurch]

• Among that large group were certain participants who had a specific target in mind... not Pence or Pelosi, but the Senate Parliamentarian's Office, where the Electoral College ballot documents are kept. They ransacked that office looking for them, not realizing that the cases of ballots had already been taken to the Chamber.

• "Disappear" all those ballot documents.

Not saying you’re wrong, but I missed the parliamentarian bit. Source?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Stewart Rhodes estranged wife and the mother of his six children, Tasha Adams, was interviewed by Jim Acosta tonight. She said he was violent, abusive to the children, unhinged, and had become more so recently. She said he saw himself as some kind of almost religious figure, a man of legend and myth. She also said that the second she saw him on TV, she knew he and those following him were "on a mission".

I ran into Stewart Rhodes many times on Multiple occasions on Multiple Sites during the 2008 Republican Primary I was a McCain supporter back then he supported Ron Paul, he was a card Carrying Waco Whacko, Oklahoma city Bombing Conspiracy theorist, he believed and promoted the Multiple bomb theory and that Timothy McVay was framed for the Bombing.
He believed the ATF, and FBI blew up toddlers, in the Alfred P Morrow building, to kill the Militia-Minute Man movement. He was deeply Influenced By Infowars and World Net Daily Arthur Jerome Corsi, after Obama Won as he was a devout Birther and Follower of Donald John Trump, I never wondered If Stewart would do something Stupid, only when he would do something Stupid.
I think he might have been one of the people trying to Organize Militia Movement harassment of me.
Stewart definitely thought he was on a mission from God, to stop abortion, and Protect Gun Rights.
Grifters don't use usually Commit doomed to fail Insurrections crazy People do.

 

[newyorkguy]

Among that large group were certain participants who had a specific target in mind... not Pence or Pelosi, but the Senate Parliamentarian's Office, where the Electoral College ballot documents are kept. They ransacked that office looking for them, not realizing that the cases of ballots had already been taken to the Chamber.

That does appear to have been the plan.

With insurrection at the door, one woman’s thoughts turned to the mahogany and leather boxes in the Senate chamber. The three boxes contained the votes — the very documents that had drawn a mob into the nation’s Capitol during a violent assault on democracy Wednesday afternoon...[Oregon Democratic Sen. Jeff ] Merkley said the aide organized a team to rescue the boxes and keep them safe when an announcement was issued to move staff from the Senate chamber and into a safe room.

“Thank you to her and the entire team that rescued the voice of the American people,” Merkley said. “Had they not done so, then the hooligans outside, disrespecting the Constitution, would have come in here and opened these boxes and burned the ballots, destroying the voice of the people symbolically.” 19th News link

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

A major stretch as these Republicans created a slate of electors not for one state, but for http://youtu.be/v4Auu_k7PRUseven. None of which had any ongoing recounts going on. In fact one of those states counted the votes three times.

Let's look at who's Idea the Alternative Electors were appointed by?

 

[BobTheCoward]

• Among that large group were certain participants who had a specific target in mind... not Pence or Pelosi, but the Senate Parliamentarian's Office, where the Electoral College ballot documents are kept. They ransacked that office looking for them, not realizing that the cases of ballots had already been taken to the Chamber.

....that is quite a leap

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think he might have been one of the people trying to Organize Militia Movement harassment of me.

Wow!

 

[newyorkguy]

Intelligence has nothing to do with it. Harvard and Yale scholars voted against Trump's impeachment and conviction. This despite the evidence and many of them admitted the evidence was there...

To get back to this briefly. I wrote, someone who is a career politician is going to do and say what is best for them politically. I was trying to draw a comparison between people whose careers may be on the line and posters writing messages in a forum.

The former have invested great effort, time and money into creating a political career for themselves. Most have families that depend on them financially. They are not going to throw it all away. It is well known to Republicans that if they oppose trump he will do whatever he can to retaliate against them, usually by trying to destroy their career. People in that position feel vulnerable and are quite likely to decide to just 'ride it out'. Reasoning, what difference does it make in the long run? That they'll still be around long after trump is gone.

Posters message that the January 6th is partisan but they never explain how they've arrived at that conclusion. They just write it. They can't explain how they arrived at that position in any substantive way because that would require explaining their thinking. Only there's no thinking behind those statements, it's just pure reaction. They're not here to take, explain and defend a position.

They're here to bust the chops of people they don't like or agree with. Period, end of story.

 

[Warp12]

Posters message that the January 6th is partisan but they never explain how they've arrived at that conclusion. They just write it. They can't explain how they arrived at that position in any substantive way because that would require explaining their thinking. Only there's no thinking behind those statements, it's just pure reaction. They're not here to take, explain and defend a position.

I'm afraid that you have already stated why the committee is sure to be highly partisan in nature:

Someone who is a career politician is going to do and say what is best for them politically. It's a matter of self-preservation.

Odd. It's like you are having a dispute with yourself...because I am 100% in support of your above statement. It doesn't just apply to Republicans, however.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Wow!

He hated me because I debunked his dumb lies about John McCain, and Called Corsi a 9/11No Brainer.
Reading Corsi's books is what got Stewart into the Early Militia Movement he wanted to be a Minute man.
There is a great PDF on Stewart and the Oath Keepers, the Media said the formed in 2008, but they actually began Organizing and Recruiting on the Ron Paul Subforum of the MySpace Republican Forum In 2008.
The Republicans on those forums gave them the Nick Name of Ron Paul's Waco Whackos, or MySpace Morons, PS. I was the one who came up with the name Waco Whackos, because of Stewart's conspiracy theories connected to the branch Davidian Compound and David Koresh.
I thought everyone here knew the full story, as a debunker I ran a fowl of many of the Libertarian Constitutionalist conspiracy theorists.
Especially when I explained that an AR15 was not an effective weapon against a technical Nuclear Super power, Stewart and Many of the Conspiracy theorist seemed to believe if they could get and hold control of the seat of government, and Hold it, Washington DC. He could force his will upon the people of the United States. He actually believed the Military of the United States would Support a Coup against Barack Obama.
He most likely wrongly believe Jerome Corsi's Conspiracy theory that Trump Made a deal with the United States Military in 2008, when Obama was elected president, Stewart is crazy enough to believe Corsi.

 

[newyorkguy]

Who in the Democratic Party is threatening members? When have Biden and Pelosi trashed members in retaliation for some position they've taken?

The events of January 6th were nothing out of the ordinary? We all know that? Not everyone agrees with that, not hardly. Many people feel the events were unprecedented and dangerous to democracy. They want answers, they want those responsible held to account. They don't want this to happen again.

The members of the committee are not just making statements. They're trying to establish what happened and, if it looks like laws were broken, develop evidence. Then it's up to the justice system to act.

 

[Warp12]

Who in the Democratic Party is threatening members? When have Biden and Pelosi trashed members in retaliation for some position they've taken?

The events of January 6th were nothing out of the ordinary? We all know that? Not everyone agrees with that, not hardly. Many people feel the events were unprecedented and dangerous to democracy. They want answers, they want those responsible held to account. They don't want this to happen again.

The members of the committee are not just making statements. They're trying to establish what happened and, if it looks like laws were broken, develop evidence. Then it's up to the justice system to act.

Ok, so consider these two statements:

Someone who is a career politician is going to do and say what is best for them politically. It's a matter of self-preservation.

Most of these people are paid Democrats. If they want to remain in that position, they need to uphold the wishes of their party (and constituents). Or else they have a great risk of losing that office.

I think that you are making an assumption that puts us further apart that we really are. I am not saying that the committee being partisan isn't what might largely needed in this case. In fact, many seem to echo those sentiments, here. It goes something like, "most of the Republicans are traitorous, and attached at the hip to Trump...therefore we can't allow those types on the committee". Now, obviously I don't agree 100% with some of this rhetoric, but certainly there is some truth in it, as applied to certain politicians.

The part I find ridiculous, though, is the denial of the reality of the partisanship. Others even agree, clearly, when they say "it is the fault of the GOP that it is partisan". I have even went so far as to endorse Democrats weaponizing it, politically. But some even want to deny that such a thing is part of the goal.

 

[digger]

The GOP won't investigate the insurrection because the investigation isn't bipartisan.

OR

The investigation isn't bipartisan because the GOP won't investigate the insurrection.

Which is true?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Wow!

If you want to know more about the Oath Keepers, here is a very good read,
Sam Jackson's
The Oath Keepers: Patriotism, Dissent, and the Edge of Violence

The Oath Keepers formed in 2009, after Stewart Rhodes and some
friends decided in 2008 that they would form an organization mobilized around a perception of
imminent tyranny. Michael Vanderboegh, a long-time activist in the movement, began a blog called
Sipsey Street Irregulars in November 2008, which became one of the homes for the burgeoning
Three Percenters Movement that Vanderboegh had recently founded.16

Study in 2018, or you can look at what some of them said on the Conspiracy theories Forums before they got themselves Banned from JREF.

The Oath Keepers formed originally during the 2008 PRESIDENTIAL Primary as a loose organization of Libertarian Constitutionalist Followers of Ron Paul and Jerome Corsi, 2008 is when I left JREF and faded from view to protect myself from the Idiot conspiracy theorists Who had a Following at Fort Knox, Kentucky, and in the Kentucky and Indiana National Guard, as well within police organizations such as LMPD, Louisville.
I knew In Kentucky I couldn't fight these people so when given the opportunity, I disappeared and laid low.
I turned down TV. Shows and appearances to protect my family, was that the wrong thing to do, maybe but it was the only thing I knew to do in a world gone more insane than I am.

 

[acbytesla]

They also knew which windows were not reinforced.

I think you might be right, simply because the "tampered ballot box" is such a trope.

Let's look at who's Idea the Alternative Electors were appointed by?

Everything about the slate of alternative Electors is fraudulent.

The individual party's slate of electors are selected by each party before the November Election. Not after.

The slate of Electors must also be signed off on by each State's elected officials Governor and/or Secretary of State.

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump, his political sycophants, and his followers have tried/are trying their best to turn this country into a third world 'democracy in name only'. If they succeed, we'd be more rightly named The People's Democratic Republic of the United States.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Everything about the slate of alternative Electors is fraudulent.

The individual party's slate of electors are selected by each party before the November Election. Not after.

The slate of Electors must also be signed off on by each State's elected officials Governor and/or Secretary of State.

I think everything about the whole Republican party is Fraudulent, how can you call yourselves Republican when your aim is the destruction of the Republic?

I agree with you 100%.

 

[smartcooky]

Not saying you’re wrong, but I missed the parliamentarian bit. Source?

Source for what?

That the boxes of EC votes are the responsibility of the members of the Parliamentarian's Office?

That the EC votes were what the ransackers were looking for?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Trump, his political sycophants, and his followers have tried/are trying their best to turn this country into a third world 'democracy in name only'. If they succeed, we'd be more rightly named The People's Democratic Republic of the United States.

And they wouldn't hesitate to kill you, me or anyone else on these forums if we stood in their way, and they could get away with it, that's what I have known for years and what January 6th finally showed the Nation, they aren't afraid to hang a Vice President, or attack Capitol police on our Most Hallowed grounds, then they are not afraid to attack or harm any of us or our Families if it Furthers their goals.
That's the truth of living In this country at this time.

 

[slyjoe]

Everything about the slate of alternative Electors is fraudulent.

The individual party's slate of electors are selected by each party before the November Election. Not after.
The slate of Electors must also be signed off on by each State's elected officials Governor and/or Secretary of State.

In Arizona I believe the "Alternate Electors" WERE selected before the election, by the Republican party - they were pledged to Trump. If Trump had won, they would have been the electors. Going from memory though.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

In Arizona I believe the "Alternate Electors" WERE selected before the election, by the Republican party - they were pledged to Trump. If Trump had won, they would have been the electors. Going from memory though.

TRUMP didn't win that's what makes them fraudulent.