I don't believe that to be true. If the evidence is as overwhelming and conclusive as you claim, I don't see a prosecutor avoiding the case.
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I don't believe that to be true. If the evidence is as overwhelming and conclusive as you claim, I don't see a prosecutor avoiding the case.
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I agree with you. The facts won't matter and they'll deny, be blind, to the obvious. How do they justify this, justify it in their own minds? What's the thought process? I don't believe there is any thought process. It's all pure reaction. When you try and reason with them, they treat it like it's all a big joke. It's sad, but they just aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
Intelligence has nothing to do with it. Harvard and Yale scholars voted against Trump's impeachment and conviction. This despite the evidence and many of them admitted the evidence was there.
I absolutely don't believe for one second that Warp doesn't believe Trump's did not intend to incite an insurrection. I don't think he has any doubt either. He's not stupid. He just is hanging his hat on any excuse he can find.
Trump is his guy. The Republicans are his party. He'll salute whatever flag they wave.
Sadly for him, it's unlikely his party and those leaders give a damn about him.
Aside from everything else, I take exception to the "Trump is my guy" statement.
Trump is more or less a buffoon. I don't want to see him in office again. The experiment failed.
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I totally agree intelligence has nothing to do with it but for a different reason. Someone who is a career politician is going to do and say what is best for them politically. It's a matter of self-preservation.
but for a different reason. Someone who is a career politician is going to do and say what is best for them politically. It's a matter of self-preservation.acbytesla
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They're toying with it. The evidence has been there from day one. The evidence is better now. So maybe. But I think their hesitancy to charge is very understandable.
I see why when you said there was reasonable doubt. I'm convinced you're lying about that. And sadly I don't think you're even lying to yourself. Deep down, hell not even deep down, you know EXACTLY what Trump was doing.
As did hundreds of rioters that attacked the capitol. As did the 57 Republicans scheming to have fake electors from 7 States.
As did Trump as he sat there for THREE HOURS watching the riots doing nothing.
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Exactly why I say the J6C is obviously a highly partisan committee.
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I agree with you. The facts won't matter and they'll deny, be blind, to the obvious. How do they justify this, justify it in their own minds? What's the thought process? I don't believe there is any thought process. It's all pure reaction. When you try and reason with them, they treat it like it's all a big joke. It's sad, but they just aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
This ^. Facts don't matter when they contradict what some people want/need to believe. We've seen that aplenty.
Bulbs, hell. Most of them aren't as bright as a birthday candle.
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Of course not all messes can be cleaned up later, as I expect our descendants will discover to their sorrow when some of the most irreversible climate disasters like ocean rise settle in. As for the other things, I suspect your fears will fall on deaf ears to those who want an anti-democratic oligarchy, and those who enable them will find out too late what they have signed on to.
When the weird sisters tell you your descendants will be kings, don't forget to pay attention to who they say will be the next one.
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I totally agree intelligence has nothing to do with it
Yeah. It's one think about the political practicalities of an issue for the good of the people. It's another when it's pure selfishness.
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C'mon. That's not why you say it. You say it because "partisan" supports your narrative that it is unethical and unprincipled.
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Incorrect. Most of these people are paid Democrats. If they want to remain in that position, they need to uphold the wishes of their party (and constituents). Or else they have a great risk of losing that office.
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Jan. 6 investigators subpoena 14 in probe of false pro-Trump electors
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/...subpoena-14-false-pro-trump-electors-00002993
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A major stretch as these Republicans created a slate of electors not for one state, but for seven. None of which had any ongoing recounts going on. In fact one of those states counted the votes three times.
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Stewart Rhodes estranged wife and the mother of his six children, Tasha Adams, was interviewed by Jim Acosta tonight. She said he was violent, abusive to the children, unhinged, and had become more so recently. She said he saw himself as some kind of almost religious figure, a man of legend and myth. She also said that the second she saw him on TV, she knew he and those following him were "on a mission".
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Those 14 people should probably take the 5th. That Pence didn't go along in no way makes what they did not a crime. Conspiracy being a knowledge crime can be a tough one but signing the documents makes it a bit of a slam dunk. The case for two or more people communicating about committing a crime and at least one of them taking an action to advance that crime seems pretty clear on this one.
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Here is what I think Trump, Giuliani, Meadows, Navarro, Bannen and all the other people involved in this coup attempt were trying to do. I don't think the sequence is 100% exact, and there will be a lot more detail, but IMO, its not far off.
• Submit the forged documents from the slate of fake electors in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to the National Archives (this will come into play later)
• Send the Jan 6 insurrectionists to the Capitol.
• Among that large group were certain participants who had a specific target in mind... not Pence or Pelosi, but the Senate Parliamentarian's Office, where the Electoral College ballot documents are kept. They ransacked that office looking for them, not realizing that the cases of ballots had already been taken to the Chamber.
• "Disappear" all those ballot documents.
• Copies of the missing ballots would then be retrieved from the National Archives, including the fake ones purporting to be the real ones from Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
• This would switch 84 EC votes from Biden to Trump making Trump the president by 316-222
Three things happened that undid their plan.
1. Some of the forged EC documents were spotted ahead of the count (some as early as December 6)
2. Pence either knew of, or was told, what was going on and wouldn't play ball. This is why all those extra words and phrases were spoken by him as he opened each envelope to make it clear that the EC Votes he was counting were genuine (a message to the plotters that their plan had failed?)
3. The cases of Ballots had already left the Parliamentarians office before the ransackers got there.
Worth noting: I'm told the second-floor office of the Senate Parliamentarian's is not very easy to find, yet those ransackers knew exactly where it was and went straight there. Now, all those unauthorized Capitol tours hosted by people like Taylor-Greene and Boebert in the days before the insurrection make perfect sense don't they.
• Submit the forged documents from the slate of fake electors in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to the National Archives (this will come into play later)
• Send the Jan 6 insurrectionists to the Capitol.
• Among that large group were certain participants who had a specific target in mind... not Pence or Pelosi, but the Senate Parliamentarian's Office, where the Electoral College ballot documents are kept. They ransacked that office looking for them, not realizing that the cases of ballots had already been taken to the Chamber.
• "Disappear" all those ballot documents.
• Copies of the missing ballots would then be retrieved from the National Archives, including the fake ones purporting to be the real ones from Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
• This would switch 84 EC votes from Biden to Trump making Trump the president by 316-222
Three things happened that undid their plan.
1. Some of the forged EC documents were spotted ahead of the count (some as early as December 6)
2. Pence either knew of, or was told, what was going on and wouldn't play ball. This is why all those extra words and phrases were spoken by him as he opened each envelope to make it clear that the EC Votes he was counting were genuine (a message to the plotters that their plan had failed?)
3. The cases of Ballots had already left the Parliamentarians office before the ransackers got there.
Worth noting: I'm told the second-floor office of the Senate Parliamentarian's is not very easy to find, yet those ransackers knew exactly where it was and went straight there. Now, all those unauthorized Capitol tours hosted by people like Taylor-Greene and Boebert in the days before the insurrection make perfect sense don't they.
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They also knew which windows were not reinforced.
I think you might be right, simply because the "tampered ballot box" is such a trope.
I think you might be right, simply because the "tampered ballot box" is such a trope.
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I think you're mostly right. One thing I'd like to know is where the seven signed fake ballots required to be sent to the President of the Senate were on January 6th. The law says two signed ballots go to the National Archive, one goes to the president of the Senate, two go to the Secretary of State and one goes to the nearest federal district judge to the state capitol.
I don't know if conspirators sent any copies to the other places but I would like to know if the fraudulent copies for the President of the Senate were in the building that day.
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