The Jan. 6 Investigation

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rdwight said:
So many thoughts on this that bounce around for me. At the time it was happening, the anxiety produced due to external things happening (to me) made it too much to follow. This was different than the general rioting going on elsewhere. Location matters. At the same time, the hyperbole in describing it is staggering. The saddest part is that I have no faith in the intentions of this investigation. Does anyone feel differently?
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I feel a bit differently. I think the Dems plan on politically posturing as much as possible and attempting to write the narrative as much as they can, so in that sense I think the intentions aren't necessarily pure. Politicians will continue to do their jobs. But, I don't think that matters a whole lot. I think the truth looks really bad for the GOP and Trump, and I think this is so incredibly damaging that simply revealing the truth accurately is enough.

But remember why the Dems are in this position. The GOP shot down a bipartisan investigation, and the House started their own and offered bipartisan participation, and the GOP refused that also. Speaking of intentions, I'd think it would be a little curious as to why they're trying to distract by creating partisan a situation as possible and then accused the other side of being partisan. But it's pretty obvious why they don't want to talk about the investigation itself.

How bad do things look when you look into why high ranking military leaders were spooked, the shake up at the pentagon, the slow response, who called Trump during the breach and what were they talking about? They're just refusing to talk about this stuff now. Nobody wants to hear about any of that? Wonder why.
 
Last time I remember joecool was here,he was telling us how wonderful Trump's Hydrocholchorline (probably misspelled that was.....
 
rdwight said:
So many thoughts on this that bounce around for me. At the time it was happening, the anxiety produced due to external things happening (to me) made it too much to follow. This was different than the general rioting going on elsewhere. Location matters. At the same time, the hyperbole in describing it is staggering. The saddest part is that I have no faith in the intentions of this investigation. Does anyone feel differently?
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I have faith. This is an important investigation despite the GOP attempt to cover things up. A mob attacked the Capitol and tried to stop a routine procedure done to transfer power officially from one POTUS to the next.

Dump was refusing to give up his power. Do you know just how serious that was? Seven months later and there is still bull **** going on to interfere with the last election and prevent a fair one in some states in 2022.

Liz Cheney is one of the most Conservative members in Congress. She's one of a few that have stood up for the rule of law and against the Dump cult that has taken over the GOP. Pelosi is very intelligent and certainly intends to run a clean ship.

The only reason to be concerned is if one is listening to all those Dump/GOP sycophants trying to tell whoever will listen that it is a 'witch hunt'. It is not.
 
dirtywick said:
I feel a bit differently. I think the Dems plan on politically posturing as much as possible and attempting to write the narrative as much as they can, so in that sense I think the intentions aren't necessarily pure. Politicians will continue to do their jobs. But, I don't think that matters a whole lot. I think the truth looks really bad for the GOP and Trump, and I think this is so incredibly damaging that simply revealing the truth accurately is enough.
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Which makes me ask you, then why do the Democrats need to posture and force a slanted narrative?


dirtywick said:
How bad do things look when you look into why high ranking military leaders were spooked, the shake up at the pentagon, the slow response, who called Trump during the breach and what were they talking about? They're just refusing to talk about this stuff now. Nobody wants to hear about any of that? Wonder why.
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Yes, how bad do they look? :rolleyes:
 
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Stacyhs said:
Ziggurat's downplaying of the threat made to both Pence and Pelosi is duly noted:

They didn't actually FIND the people they were threatening to kill so no actual attempt was made! How dare you contend that was their intent?
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I know little about the threats, but there is a distinction to be made between a threat and a true threat. Between someone who says they're going to blow up a school and a person who has a map of the school highlighting vulnerable entry points. A person who has reconned the school documenting arrival times of service vehicles etc. Some people had zip ties, others were caught up in a monkey-see, monkey-do.
 
Ziggurat said:
I said nothing about the Pence threats because I haven’t looked into them yet. I commented on the Pelosi threats that were referenced earlier because, unlike you, I actually read through the court documents that they came from. You thought they were classified and unavailable even though I already linked directly to them. How clueless is that? And I said that no attempt was made because, get this, the woman in question never even went looking. It was always just empty posturing.
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I provided those links to the articles regarding the threats made to Pelosi and Pence at 12:17 PM.

Paul2 asked me for a link to those documents at 12:37 PM.

You provided the link to them at 12:55 PM, so when Paul2 asked me for the link at 12:37 PM, you had not yet provided them.

I read Paul2's request which came before your post to I answered him immediately.

How clueless are you for not being able to figure that out?

I said they were LIKELY classified since none of the articles I provided contained links to those documents which would be expected.
 
Cain said:
I know little about the threats, but there is a distinction to be made between a threat and a true threat. Between someone who says they're going to blow up a school and a person who has a map of the school highlighting vulnerable entry points. A person who has reconned the school documenting arrival times of service vehicles etc. Some people had zip ties, others were caught up in a monkey-see, monkey-do.
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And when those caught up in " monkey-see, monkey-do" happen to be with those monkeys when they actually find those they're looking for and threatening to 'hang' or 'put a bullet in'? People in mobs feed off each other as we saw in that insurrection. They became more violent as they urged each other on to the point of beating police officers and calling for machetes, and to use their own guns against them. The officers refraining from using their own guns in self-defense most likely kept the mob from becoming even more violent as one officer testified.
 
dirtywick said:
I feel a bit differently. I think the Dems plan on politically posturing as much as possible and attempting to write the narrative as much as they can, so in that sense I think the intentions aren't necessarily pure. Politicians will continue to do their jobs. But, I don't think that matters a whole lot. I think the truth looks really bad for the GOP and Trump, and I think this is so incredibly damaging that simply revealing the truth accurately is enough.
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I don't think that the Dems need to posture on this, and in fact, I think that if they do then they will be doing themselves and the investigation a dis-service, and allow the Republicans to attack them over that and distract from the investigation itself. The reality of this is that it's going to be bad for the Republicans, it's just a question of how bad it will get. The Democrats really just need to call witnesses and let them talk, allow the chips to fall as they will, and reveal the picture of what happened in a sober and solemn way. All the Republicans and their supporters on FOX and OAN would have left is to attack the witnesses and make themselves look even worse.

So yeah, if I was in the Dems shoes, I'd just play it totally straight and let the Republicans continue to make fools of themselves as they try and distract from the overwhelming facts showing how invloved in it they all were.
 
PhantomWolf said:
I don't think that the Dems need to posture on this, and in fact, I think that if they do then they will be doing themselves and the investigation a dis-service, and allow the Republicans to attack them over that and distract from the investigation itself. The reality of this is that it's going to be bad for the Republicans, it's just a question of how bad it will get. The Democrats really just need to call witnesses and let them talk, allow the chips to fall as they will, and reveal the picture of what happened in a sober and solemn way. All the Republicans and their supporters on FOX and OAN would have left is to attack the witnesses and make themselves look even worse.

So yeah, if I was in the Dems shoes, I'd just play it totally straight and let the Republicans continue to make fools of themselves as they try and distract from the overwhelming facts showing how invloved in it they all were.
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Agreed. There is no need to embellish or spin anything in this. The facts themselves are bad enough. The GOP's claim that they just want to move forward because an investigation will just divide the country is pure bull crap. They know how responsible Trump and their support of his Big Lie is for that insurrection and they want to sweep it under the rug ASAP. Certain players, like McCarthy, are scared to death of it just how bad they're going to look if people have to testify under oath. Although we can expect a serious outbreak of the "I don't recall" flu.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Which makes me ask you, then why do the Democrats need to posture and force a slanted narrative?
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You don't think they're going to give impassioned speeches and scold the GOP from the moral high ground? They're going to do that every chance they get.

Yes, how bad do they look? :rolleyes:
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Not really sure why you're rolling your eyes, most of what's come out so far has looked awful for the GOP and they're doing everything they can to distract from the substance of the investigation out of some combination of culpability and fear of the wrath of Trump. Jim Jordan doesn't even want to admit he made a call to Trump. They do not want to talk about this stuff at all.
 
We have a direct line of communication between the Oathkeepers and Roger Stone, and Roger Stone and Trump.
Not looking for a Conspiracy would be negligent.
 
Cain said:
I know little about the threats, but there is a distinction to be made between a threat and a true threat. Between someone who says they're going to blow up a school and a person who has a map of the school highlighting vulnerable entry points. A person who has reconned the school documenting arrival times of service vehicles etc. Some people had zip ties, others were caught up in a monkey-see, monkey-do.
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Does erecting a gallows and a rope with a hangman's noose at the end count?

Does arriving with zip-cuffs (not ordinary electrical zip-ties, but actual law enforcement issue zip-cuffs) count?

Or are these just examples of performance art?
 
The fact that a member of Congress showed up to the rally in a bulletproof vest should be evidence enough that he believed that these were not harmless tourists.
And he ought to know.
 
dirtywick said:
You don't think they're going to give impassioned speeches and scold the GOP from the moral high ground? They're going to do that every chance they get.
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I think that they'll lose some of the position they could get without doing it. They need to leave those things to Cheney and Kinzinger.
 
Cain said:
I know little about the threats, but there is a distinction to be made between a threat and a true threat.
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True.

Between someone who says they're going to blow up a school and a person who has a map of the school highlighting vulnerable entry points. A person who has reconned the school documenting arrival times of service vehicles etc. Some people had zip ties, others were caught up in a monkey-see, monkey-do.
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This zip tie guy found the zip ties in the capitol and picked them up. He did not bring them from home. He wasn’t planning to use them, and didn’t.
 
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