The Improbable 9/11 and its followers

[beachnut]

Well, compare a boeing 767 to a missile or a bomb and you would find the similarities to be quite many But yet the collapses are never global and even similar to any of the towers.

The fire systems were destroyed or rendered in-op due to no water. Fire destroys stuff, some stuff collapses, some does not. The WTC towers were unique, WTC7 was very unique. Please try to study this stuff before you join the idiots in the pit of complete ignorance and super delusions known as 911 truth.

Oops, a building the firemen left due to possible collapse. One Meridian Plaza in PA was totaled by fire and was too weak to use again, had to be dismantled in pieces. Building destroyed by fire. The thing that saved the building from collapse was the sprinkler system kicked in after firemen left! Philadelphia was luck the building did not collapse.

Oops, another building totaled by fire collapse locally but was saved from global collapse due to concrete!

Windsor building; totaled by fire! Oops, two skyscrapers destroyed by fire. The building is gone, if not for the concrete core, the upper parts were water was not able to reach would have collapse; as it was the building had to be taken down. The building was too weak from fire. Imagine another 60 floors, and the collapse.

Both these buildings had no aircraft with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel to start fires on multiple floors and make large holes to feed air to the fires!

But go ahead, Leslie Robertson is alive and he was the structural engineer on the WTC and he calls your ideas on 911 pertaining to HIS buildings nonsense. Call him! Ask the real expert why your ideas are nonsense.

 

[Baylor]

Hi Mudlark! - if you are lurking

 

[Newtonian]

I could tell just from the formatting that the OP would be truthy. Must be an odd side effect of the paranoia, arrogance, and ignorance required to be a truther.

It was constructed to be provacative, and the effect was above any
expectation

Calling others paranoid and arrogant/ignorant for their specific
persuasion would be at best ignorant in my book.

We don`t have much people in Norway believing in God or
christianity, but I don`t call them ignorant in any case just
because I don`t believe it.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Given that I have the gift of foresight, you would just ridicule me
If I told you.

My point is that your appeals to authority are, besides being a logic fallacy, unqualified.

 

[T.A.M.]

Well, compare a boeing 767 to a missile or a bomb and you would find the similarities to be quite many But yet the collapses are never global and even similar to any of the towers.

Can I stundie this?

OK, can you show me an example of a fuel filled missile, the size of a 767 that impacted any of the buildings in your footage at 500mph?

Thanks in advance.

TAM

 

[djlunacee]

Historical evidence I have siffled through of the footage I have obtained from bomb attacks and subsequent fires in Iraq/afghanistan and WWII show nothing of the characteristics seen on 9/11.

And how many 110 story tube in tube building designs are there in Iraq? Afghanistan? WWII? (Here's a hint: NONE) Since there were none, then your visual comparison is null and void, you're comparing apples to broccoli.

Welcome BTW.

 

[djlunacee]

well, compare a boeing 767 to a missile or a bomb and you would find the similarities to be quite many but yet the collapses are never global and even similar to any of the towers.

wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

 

[Newtonian]

The fire systems were destroyed or rendered in-op due to no water. Fire destroys stuff, some stuff collapses, some does not. The WTC towers were unique, WTC7 was very unique. Please try to study this stuff before you join the idiots in the pit of complete ignorance and super delusions known as 911 truth.

[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/onemeridiansag.jpg[/qimg]
Oops, a building the firemen left due to possible collapse. One Meridian Plaza in PA was totaled by fire and was too weak to use again, had to be dismantled in pieces. Building destroyed by fire. The thing that saved the building from collapse was the sprinkler system kicked in after firemen left! Philadelphia was luck the building did not collapse.

Oops, another building totaled by fire collapse locally but was saved from global collapse due to concrete!
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/12447454a26a3309fa.jpg[/qimg]
Windsor building; totaled by fire! Oops, two skyscrapers destroyed by fire. The building is gone, if not for the concrete core, the upper parts were water was not able to reach would have collapse; as it was the building had to be taken down. The building was too weak from fire. Imagine another 60 floors, and the collapse.

Both these buildings had no aircraft with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel to start fires on multiple floors and make large holes to feed air to the fires!

But go ahead, Leslie Robertson is alive and he was the structural engineer on the WTC and he calls your ideas on 911 pertaining to HIS buildings nonsense. Call him! Ask the real expert why your ideas are nonsense.

I will not challenge the fact that fires damages buildings.

What I challenge is that how can a unpredictable force like fire
combined with asymetrical damage to a structure lead to such
total and utter sudden failure in every aspect. The structure was
pulverized beyond recognition. Where did the driving force of this
collapse go, all over manhatten it would seem.

 

[Baylor]

Hi Newtonian, welcome to the forums. Say, have you heard of two "independent journalists" named Craig Ranke and Waldo? They say AA77 flew north of the gas station when the government says it flew south. You might want to check them out.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Hi Mudlark!

Damnit... I new this smelled familiar. But I also knew it wasn't P'dope or Zensmack/LC/HI.

Nice call, Rebel.

 

[Newtonian]

So in order to meet your requirements of comparison I would have to build my own WTC towers and fly a 767 at borderline supersonic speeds into this structure and if that would not collapse the towers... would you have accepted the very notion that this might not have been the driving force of the collapse?

 

[Newtonian]

Damnit... I new this smelled familiar. But I also knew it wasn't P'dope or Zensmack/LC/HI.

Nice call, Rebel.

Are you suggesting that I am a fake user?

 

[Newtonian]

Ask a moderator to check my IP adress. If he says he cant do that, refer him to this post. I have pretty much been Norwegian all my life since I have checked, and I`m in Norway at this very moment

 

[T.A.M.]

So in order to meet your requirements of comparison I would have to build my own WTC towers and fly a 767 at borderline supersonic speeds into this structure and if that would not collapse the towers... would you have accepted the very notion that this might not have been the driving force of the collapse?

No, what I am saying, is that the circumstances and variables that led to the (A) multi floor fires, (B) structural damage to multiple floors, and (C) extensive removal of the steel's spray-on fireproofing, are incredibly unique, and all contributed to the initiation of collapse. Once collapse began, it had to be global and complete, based on the physics involved (look up momentum Mr. Newton).

TAM

 

[Baylor]

Are you suggesting that I am a fake user?

Calm down. No one is suggesting you are anything. It's just that we've been through this stuff soooooo many times and some truthers prefer some talking points more than others. Your favorite few is similar to other posters. That's all.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Are you suggesting that I am a fake user?

No, I'm quite certain that you are a genuine carbon based bipedal lifeform with all the usual rights and legal recognitions of your country of residence.

I'm pretty sure you're a fake engineer however.

 

[technoextreme]

and when i went through technical engineering i built a 2 channel class a power music amplifier, and a electrical 48v trike and a anti-collision system for boats. I also made a pls regulated moonshine aparatus. I also have the security clearance for and all the certificates for working ex class electronical maintenance on oil plattforms and the basic level of process chemistry controlling therein. I am also currently in semi-active military
duty as sergeant , the first response unit 1 month of training each year.

WHAt THE *********** HELLDOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH BUILDINGS. AS A FULL FLEDGED ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING WORKING ON HIS PHD FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DELUDING YOURSELF INTO THINKING THAT BUILDING A CIRCUIT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH CIVIL ENGINEERING.

 

[Newtons Bit]

I will not challenge the fact that fires damages buildings.

What I challenge is that how can a unpredictable force like fire
combined with asymetrical damage to a structure lead to such
total and utter sudden failure in every aspect. The structure was
pulverized beyond recognition. Where did the driving force of this
collapse go, all over manhatten it would seem.

Total progressive collapse is the obvious and most likely path of destruction. It is the final state that our buildings must eventually return. And it is through over-engineering* that progressive collapse is prevented. Why is that? Because good engineers design the structure so that they don't begin collapsing in the first place. Doing more so is uneconomical. Arthur Mellen Wellington stated that, "Engineering, to define rudely but not inaptly, is the art of doing that with one dollar, which any bungler can do with two after a fashion." Good engineers take that to heart.

The engineers prior to the 50' did not have the fundamental understanding of materials that we did in later years and today. They couldn't design it to the level that we could in the 60's and so they added additional "fudge factors" to let them sleep easy at night.

Now then, do you believe Leslie Robertson (the designer of the WTC) was a good engineer or a bad engineer?




*Note: there are modern provisions that have been adopted after building failures that are reasonably economical.

 

[Newtonian]

I thought I could clearly depict one of the towers heading for the street, yet
it fell right back into ranks so to speak Oh well. Off to bed.

Nice to make your acquaintance All of you

I did not now there was so many violently defending either theory,
but it would be reasonable to presume its because we don`t discuss it
that much in Norway and the attacks is rumored to have happened in the US

 

[BigAl]

I will not challenge the fact that fires damages buildings.

What I challenge is that how can a unpredictable force like fire
combined with asymetrical damage to a structure lead to such
total and utter sudden failure in every aspect.

Gravity.