The ideomotor effect and mediumnity

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I also greatly appreciate Alice Shortcake's contribution in time, effort, and actual cash to these threads.

BTW congratulations on your Pith Award Akhenaten. That was a really funny post and I think your pith award is well-deserved. You make me laugh all the time :)
 
O Great Lord of the Two Kingdoms, I am truly honoured. Words cannot express what I felt when, after spending an hour or so injecting poison into Snickers bars, I returned to the forum and found myself the recipient of this lovely award.

Must go now as someone is making ghostly noises and ringing my doorbell.
 
O Great Lord of the Two Kingdoms, I am truly honoured. Words cannot express what I felt when, after spending an hour or so injecting poison into Snickers bars, I returned to the forum and found myself the recipient of this lovely award.

Must go now as someone is making ghostly noises and ringing my doorbell.

Oh my, that was an hour wasted, so ....'80's...They come pre-injected these days.:)

I join everyone in congratulating you on your award, and I predict not only that Charles will return to JREF, and attempt to rehabilitate his errant ways (just kidding*), but also that 2 more members of the PLF will become members of JREF. I could name them, but I don't want to brag about my mediumnical powers.

*I'm not kidding that he will return though. My writing talents have diminished with old age.
 
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Oh my, that was an hour wasted, so ....'80's...They come pre-injected these days.:)

I join everyone in congratulating you on your award, and I predict not only that Charles will return to JREF, and attempt to rehabilitate his errant ways (just kidding), but also that 2 more members of the PLF will become members of JREF. I could name them, but I don't want to brag about my mediumnical powers.

As long as they're not totally rude like Charles, we'll welcome them and be glad to help. Of course if they want us to read giant walls of text from their cruddy, self-published novels while simultaneously refusing to read anything we write, then it's most likely they'll be treated exactly as Charles was.
 
OK. Let's get serious here. I predicted many posts ago that Charles was having a breakthrough, and was really upset that his beliefs were being challenged. It is not easy to have this happen. It is an invasion of one's space...it is devastating to one's self concept. He has been rejected at a forum that he enjoys. I would be apoplectic if I ever got suspended from JREF. Let's try to be understanding, shall we?

These people are victims of a belief system that was imposed upon them by someone...none of us knows by whom, it no longer matters. It is clear that the PLF (PAST LIFE FORUM) is no longer interested in Charles. It is up to us to accept him, and help him. Who cares if he is rude? It comes with the territory of making new friends.
 
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OK. Let's get serious here. I predicted many posts ago that Charles was having a breakthrough, and was really upset that his beliefs were being challenged. It is not easy to have this happen. It is an invasion of one's space...it is devastating to one's self concept. Let's try to be understanding, shall we? I personally have become agoraphobic in the last couple of years. I have no idea why. I had to retire from a job I love.

These people are victims of a belief system that was imposed upon them by someone...none of us knows by whom, it no longer matters. It is clear that the PLF (PAST LIFE FORUM) is no longer interested in Charles. It is up to us to accept him, and help him.

It's a beautiful thought, but it's unfortunately not very feasible. Unlike the PLF, the JREF forums do not require their members to be nice (basic civility is demanded, but that's certainly not the same thing). That's why it isn't possible to keep people from being confrontational.

And more importantly, Charles has demonstrated very low tolerance to perceived insults. Some rude posters and a bunch of indifferent ones in a thread are enough to hurt his feelings so that the few nice ones are forgotten. This leaves Charles unable to comfortably engage in conversation; although some people are polite, the fact that not all are is enough to make him feel persecuted.

And, as demonstrated, when people feel persecuted, they are rude without knowing it. I'm certain Charles has at no point intended to insult the members of this forum, but there's no denying that he did, anyway. As long as he doesn't realize it himself, the insults will continue, and as long as they do, a backslash is inevitable. It is an unfortunate but natural vicious circle.

Because the JREF forum favours openness over niceness, it isn't possible to break the circle from our side. Even if many forumites are sympathetic of Charles, not all will be - and the ones who aren't are entitled to their opinion. Thus, the only way to get over the bad beginning and lay foundations for a truly fruitful relationship is for Charles to start ignoring the rudeness of JREF forumites and attempting to moderate his own.

I have suggested this to Charles before, but as my expression is often sharp, I expect he has viewed it as ridicule and insult - and I suppose he isn't entirely wrong, either. Still, I believe the idea is a good one, and if someone a touch more sensitive than I could get Charles to understand it, I would be overjoyed.

Charles, if you can accept that the people here will not believe your claims (without evidence), and that they will offer alternative explanations, you could actually have a good time here. If you cease to view us as potential converts, and instead view us as a bunch of people with different background and different levels of knowledge, you may find we're not so impossible to talk to. And if you stop thinking of us as a mindless mob, understand that we are separate people with separate opinions, and treat us accordingly, you will certainly find friends.
 
It's a beautiful thought, but it's unfortunately not very feasible. ...

I cannot argue with anything you say.

People need time though to change course in such a huge way, and they are not going to be very pleasant to deal with in this ongoing process. This is not about one particular poster, but the process of changing a world view has been confronted by many theists on the road to atheism. There is little difference. I did not have this difficulty with religion, but quitting smoking....I just was impossible to deal with. :D
 
Although it may be late in the conversation, welcome back to the forum Charles. While you may not find us to be very accepting of your beliefs, you will find it very difficult to be suspended here (given your general demeanor), even if it does get heated. That's how it should be.

I have just one straightforward question and a request. What is your opinion on other contentious beliefs, and are you skeptical of any of those? Consider UFO abductions, Bigfoot, etc. as examples and please comment on what your general approach to these phenomena is. I ask because I feel that the current topic of reincarnation is too steeped in argument for me to get your opinion on this.
 
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I am glad to hear that those who have gone to the CPL forum are being well treated over there. It appears I was put under probation because I was provoking all of you even further, and making eveyone over there have to work double-time. They are all very nice people, believe me.


Charles, if you read this--did the very nice people at the other forum delete all the threads you had started? I was looking for the one where you talked about your WWII recollections and found it was no longer there, as was no other thread you had started.

Not to mention registration was disabled some time ago.

Yes, looks like a very friendly place...

I second, third or fourth the suggestion that you should come over here instead!
 
and making eveyone over there have to work double-time.

They're lucky to have a dozen posts in a day. Double-time, could be an extra, oh, 5 minutes?:)
 
No, guys, you just didn't have the "personal experience" that I did. That's all...
If you had paid any attention whatsoever to the responses you've received on this board you would know that this simply isn't true. Many, perhaps most, regular posters here have had very similar experiences, they are hardly rare. The difference is that a sceptic investigates and considers all the possible explanations of such experiences, not just the supernatural ones, and invariably concludes that mundane explanations are by far the most likely.

@Alice Shortcake: Excellent scholarship indeed, but I do wonder why you bothered. Mr Boden has made it abundantly clear that he is never going to abandon a cherished and comforting belief just because someone who has done the necessary research politely points out to him that it is mistaken.
 
Why is this thread called "The ideomotor effect and mediumnity", when even the OP refuses to discuss the ideomotor effect, or test his ouija board?
 
There is already an existing thread discussing everything that has come up here, so since there does not appear to a topic for this thread, I am closing it. If you wish to discuss a particular topic you are of course free to start a new thread on it. However, please keep the rambling and anecdotes confined to this thread.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles
 
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