The Heiwa Challenge

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Oh, yeaah, that's it Red, you are deep into my head......Right....

You're more like deep in something that comes from a bulls rear end, and it stinks really bad.
 
TruthersLie said:
So which part of the Verinage techniques in France are against your 10 rules?
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The French technique de vérinage is quite simple and ensures destruction of the composite structure - mostly bricks of various types and concrete, some of it reinforced. In order to do so you have to modify the lower structural part to become weaker than the upper structural part. Thus you remove/weaken connections of a fair amount of primary structural elements of the lower part before destruction is initiated by the famous 'kick' by hydraulics knocking off primary structural elements between upper/lower parts allowing upper, strong part to crush lower, weak part.

So lower part has not identical structure as upper part ... which means the process does not conform to The Heiwa Challenge rules 2 and 4.

It can be added that not only the structure is modified prior destruction. Asbestos and similar dangerous material must be removed before destruction. Evidenly valuable material, cables, pipes, are also removed and re-cycled before destruction.

It can finally be added that the technique vérinage is not suitable for structures where the primary structural elements are steel.
 
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Heiwa said:
The French technique de vérinage is quite simple and ensures destruction of the composite structure - mostly bricks of various types and concrete, some of it reinforced. In order to do so you have to modify the lower structural part to become weaker than the upper structural part. Thus you remove/weaken connections of a fair amount of primary structural elements of the lower part before destruction is initiated by the famous 'kick' by hydraulics knocking off primary structural elements between upper/lower parts allowing upper, strong part to crush lower, weak part.

So lower part has not identical structure as upper part ... which means the process does not conform to The Heiwa Challenge rules 2 and 4.

It can be added that not only the structure is modified prior destruction. Asbestos and similar dangerous material must be removed before destruction. Evidenly valuable material, cables, pipes, are also removed and re-cycled before destruction.

It can finally be added that the technique vérinage is not suitable for structures where the primary structural elements are steel.
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Someone, I am not sure whom, pointed out that they did NOT weaken the lower structure at all. So, there goes that out the window.
Secondly, asbestos and other things like pipes, cable, and things of that nature provide NO structural support WHATSOEVER!! None, notta, zilch, so that should have no bearing on the Heiwa Challenge.

Last, but certainly not least, the Heiwa Challenge does NOT in fact say that all the material must be steel framed. NOWHERE. Not once, not ever.

So, with that in mind, it ABSOLUTELY does comply with your little challenge. I believe that you owe some French demo guys some money. ALOT of money!!
 
Heiwa said:
The French technique de vérinage is quite simple and ensures destruction of the composite structure - mostly bricks of various types and concrete, some of it reinforced. In order to do so you have to modify the lower structural part to become weaker than the upper structural part. Thus you remove/weaken connections of a fair amount of primary structural elements of the lower part before destruction is initiated by the famous 'kick' by hydraulics knocking off primary structural elements between upper/lower parts allowing upper, strong part to crush lower, weak part.

So lower part has not identical structure as upper part ... which means the process does not conform to The Heiwa Challenge rules 2 and 4.

It can be added that not only the structure is modified prior destruction. Asbestos and similar dangerous material must be removed before destruction. Evidenly valuable material, cables, pipes, are also removed and re-cycled before destruction.

It can finally be added that the technique vérinage is not suitable for structures where the primary structural elements are steel.
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Until you can show that they DID weaken the lower floors, this post of yours is utter crap, Heiwa. I'm sorry.
 
triforcharity said:
Someone, I am not sure whom, pointed out that they did NOT weaken the lower structure at all. So, there goes that out the window.
Secondly, asbestos and other things like pipes, cable, and things of that nature provide NO structural support WHATSOEVER!! None, notta, zilch, so that should have no bearing on the Heiwa Challenge.

Last, but certainly not least, the Heiwa Challenge does NOT in fact say that all the material must be steel framed. NOWHERE. Not once, not ever.

So, with that in mind, it ABSOLUTELY does comply with your little challenge. I believe that you owe some French demo guys some money. ALOT of money!!
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Evidently a structure of The Heiwa Challenge can be composed of anything BUT smaller upper part must be virtually identical to bigger lower part prior test; only extra requirement is that lower part must be able to carry upper part statically before. Then just drop upper part on lower part, a dynamic event, and watch! No one-way crush down will take place. Pls, note the jolt that occurs when upper part contacts lower part! The jolt, decelaration, of the upper moving part differs at the bottom of the upper part than at the top of the upper part! It is smaller at the top. The reason is that the upper part is elastic and that it's top reacts slower than it's bottom part contacting the lower structural part.

I have asked NIST, FEMA, FBI, CIA, NATO, NASA, Bazant, Seffen ... and Mackey ... to produce a structure that behaves differently, but it seems these very clever authorites and individuals are not up to it! I wonder why? Have they ever anlysed collisions of two structural parts?

Thanks for your concern about the money aspct. Now, just design a structure that behaves as per the 911 OCT and enter it in The Heiwa Challenge! If you manage, which I doubt, you'll become a HERO!
 
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Heiwa said:
The French technique de vérinage is quite simple and ensures destruction of the composite structure - mostly bricks of various types and concrete, some of it reinforced. In order to do so you have to modify the lower structural part to become weaker than the upper structural part. Thus you remove/weaken connections of a fair amount of primary structural elements of the lower part before destruction is initiated by the famous 'kick' by hydraulics knocking off primary structural elements between upper/lower parts allowing upper, strong part to crush lower, weak part.

So lower part has not identical structure as upper part ... which means the process does not conform to The Heiwa Challenge rules 2 and 4.
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Heiwa, please address this, from the description of the verinage technique patent. Pay particularly attention to the bolded parts:

The purpose of the present invention is to cure this lack by proposing a process and equipment of demolition which can be appropriate for any type of buildings without limitation height. It is of course about a process which does not have recourse to the explosive ones, involving a demolition which does not exceed the influence of the building on the ground, having a very low cost of putting in work to that of caving since it is not required to envisage the evacuation of a perimeter of safety, nor the interruption of the circulation, and whose completion date is relatively rapid. In addition, this process is also without danger to the operators since it is not required to weaken the structure of the building. Moreover, it can be supplemented by a safety device which makes it possible to restore the stability of the building on the assumption that a technical incident would intervene front the final phase of demolition.
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one remote control rotation of the aforesaid winch arranged to draw on the cable from reeving, reflecting this tractive effort on the strands and pulleys of reeving so as to cut down the load-bearing walls in a defined direction causing the collapse the flagstones and the walls of the upper stages on those of the low stages which collapse on themselves under 1 ' effect of the weight of the upper stages.
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In reference on figure 1, building 1 to demolish consists of a whole of load-bearing walls 2 refer currently the veils and of a whole of flagstones 3 defining the numbered stages of the ground floor in 17th. The load-bearing walls 2 and flagstones 3 form schematically a squaring of parts 4. The process of demolition according to 1 ' invention consists in demolishing this building by collapse of high to the bottom, while exerting with a selected stage for example in the last third one of the building and precisely in the example illustrated with the 13th stage, a traction between two parallel load-bearing walls directed in the diagonal one, resulting in ' cutting down these two load-bearing walls in the direction the arrow F, involving the collapse of the other load-bearing walls and the flagstones the upper stages which subside the ones on the other ones and, by their weight, cause the collapse of the low stages. This operation of slaughtering is enough to demolish the building in only one operation. The possible remaining parts are then demolished with the hydraulic shovel.
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Thanks to Horatius here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5063274#post5063274
 
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Heiwa said:
The French technique de vérinage is quite simple and ensures destruction of the composite structure - mostly bricks of various types and concrete, some of it reinforced. In order to do so you have to modify the lower structural part to become weaker than the upper structural part. Thus you remove/weaken connections of a fair amount of primary structural elements of the lower part before destruction is initiated by the famous 'kick' by hydraulics knocking off primary structural elements between upper/lower parts allowing upper, strong part to crush lower, weak part.

So lower part has not identical structure as upper part ... which means the process does not conform to The Heiwa Challenge rules 2 and 4.

It can be added that not only the structure is modified prior destruction. Asbestos and similar dangerous material must be removed before destruction. Evidenly valuable material, cables, pipes, are also removed and re-cycled before destruction.

It can finally be added that the technique vérinage is not suitable for structures where the primary structural elements are steel.
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ROFLMAO.
I love it... dodge dodge dodge. shift shift shift.

the lower part of the structure is made the same way as the upper part of the struture.

Did you not read the french documents H found?

PROVIDE A CITATION WHICH STATES they weaken the lower portion of the building.
 
Evidently any structure subject to the French, patented technique vérinage is welcome to participate in The Heiwa Challenge.

It seems the patent is not subject to scale or size! So just design a structure, arrange it as per the patent and drop/kick the top on the bottom part, etc, etc.

But ensure that you follow the rules of post #1.

And do not forget the Björkman's axiom:

A smaller part of an isotropic or composite 3-D structure, when dropped on and impacting a greater part of same structure by gravity, cannot one-way crush down the greater part of the structure.

Good luck!
 
TruthersLie said:
ROFLMAO.
I love it... dodge dodge dodge. shift shift shift.

the lower part of the structure is made the same way as the upper part of the struture.

Did you not read the french documents H found?

PROVIDE A CITATION WHICH STATES they weaken the lower portion of the building.
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cmon he already told us they remove asbestos wires and plumbing prior to demo
every one knows thats the backbone of any structure lol
 
Justin39640 said:
cmon he already told us they remove asbestos wires and plumbing prior to demo
every one knows thats the backbone of any structure lol
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I'm trying to imagine how little structure french plumbing would hold up.
 
Heiwa said:
Evidently any structure subject to the French, patented technique vérinage is welcome to participate in The Heiwa Challenge.

It seems the patent is not subject to scale or size! So just design a structure, arrange it as per the patent and drop/kick the top on the bottom part, etc, etc.

But ensure that you follow the rules of post #1.

And do not forget the Björkman's axiom:

A smaller part of an isotropic or composite 3-D structure, when dropped on and impacting a greater part of same structure by gravity, cannot one-way crush down the greater part of the structure.

Good luck!
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Oh twoof.
No where in your rules do you state that I have to build the structure. NOT ONE PLACE.

So I will submit the 6 videos already shown.

shift shift shift, handwave it away twoof.

ROFLMAO. (and yes, I am laughing AT YOU, you hack. No I take that back... calling you a hack is an insult to hacks.)
 
TruthersLie said:
Oh twoof.
No where in your rules do you state that I have to build the structure. NOT ONE PLACE.

So I will submit the 6 videos already shown.

shift shift shift, handwave it away twoof.

ROFLMAO. (and yes, I am laughing AT YOU, you hack. No I take that back... calling you a hack is an insult to hacks.)
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Videos? You have to provide a structure and then comply with rules 1-10 of post #1 ... and then prove it. Pls, no videos. When is a video a structure or a structure or video?

Videos/films are produced by, e.g. Hollywood or CIA & Co and can show anything. You are supposed to show a structure that destructs itself by dropping a piece on it.

BTW. What is a hack?
 
Heiwa said:
BTW. What is a hack?
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Here ya go:

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Heiwa said:
Videos? You have to provide a structure and then comply with rules 1-10 of post #1 ... and then prove it. Pls, no videos. When is a video a structure or a structure or video?

Videos/films are produced by, e.g. Hollywood or CIA & Co and can show anything. You are supposed to show a structure that destructs itself by dropping a piece on it.

BTW. What is a hack?
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shift shift shift.

No where in YOUR rules do you state that I have to construct the structure.

Now it is that you won't accept them because they are on video completely destroying your bs? Really?

ROFLMAO.
 
TruthersLie said:
shift shift shift.

No where in YOUR rules do you state that I have to construct the structure.

Now it is that you won't accept them because they are on video completely destroying your bs? Really?

ROFLMAO.
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The rules are at post #1. They are simple, friendly and lively, JREF style. Whatever structure you enter in The Heiwa Challenge, self-design/construct or copy/paste/same/same you have to drop the top, only using gravity and demonstrate by counting, 1, 2 3 ..., the results. Not too difficult.

Videos of controlled demolitions, CD, of all kinds do not count as they just support the opposite of the purpose of The Heiwa Challenge! We all know about CD. The WTC destructions on 911 look like very bad CD with parts blowing out in all directions like a fountain.

Anybody knows that gravity alone cannot produce that. The Challenge is to prove the opposite. Gravity acting on a small top part being dropped destroys the bigger lower part ... only by gravity. Prove it. Drop the top and show it. Can you produce a fountain of broken elements of the lower part by dropping the top, then just do it!

Clear?
 
tuc0 said:
Yes, it's very clear now that you don't even understand the rules to your own challenge. The rules you have written yourself. This is getting funnier and funnier.
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There's a difference between being unable to understand something and intentionally misunderstanding something so that you don't have to admit fault.

I'd argue that Heiwa suffers from the latter.
 
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