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The Heiwa Challenge

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bill smith said:
Considering that most of the concrete was pulverised as proven by the fact that we see very little in the rubble should we not see much more mats or grids of the wire reinforcing and also much more floor pans scattered around and sticking out of te rubble piles ? Between them here must have been 200 acres if laid out flat. I know a lot of it would have been crushed up and so on but both these materials (corrugated steel and mats of wire mesh) are notoriously indestructible in this kind of gravity collapse and with so much of it...?.
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This is deja-vu all over again. Bill flogged this stupidity a month or two ago.
 
bill smith said:
http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/wtc-photo.jpg Huge photo (slow loading,zoomable)

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You would be able to see wire mesh in that photo? Wow. I can hardly make out people in that photo and you think you would be able to make out wire mesh? Is there a zoom feature I'm missing?

You must think that the tower collapse is similar to the card trick where a magician takes a card, puts it back in the deck, and then makes it appear on the top of the deck.

Can you explain how 110 acres (I mean 86 acres :rolleyes:)... 86 acres of wire mesh used in the concrete floors of the towers magicially appeared on the TOP of the rubble pile for all to see?
 
bill smith said:
I can go with a ballpark figure of 80 acres without a problem. So how much steel mesh and floorpans is that ? Well about enough to cover 100 American football fields. So where is it all gone ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acre
http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/wtc-photo.jpg Huge photo (slow loading,zoomable)
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Where has all the concrete gone

long time passing

Where has all the concrete gone

long time ago.

(Where have all the flowers gone)

http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/flowers-gone.shtml
 
Gamolon said:
You would be able to see wire mesh in that photo? Wow. I can hardly make out people in that photo and you think you would be able to make out wire mesh? Is there a zoom feature I'm missing?

You must think that the tower collapse is similar to the card trick where a magician takes a card, puts it back in the deck, and then makes it appear on the top of the deck.

Can you explain how 110 acres (I mean 86 acres :rolleyes:)... 86 acres of wire mesh used in the concrete floors of the towers magicially appeared on the TOP of the rubble pile for all to see?
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Well find yur own photo. Remember-at least 100 full size American football fields worth so we will not be satisfied with one or two square meters.
 
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bill smith said:
I can go with a ballpark figure of 80 acres without a problem. So how much steel mesh and floorpans is that ? Well about enough to cover 100 American football fields. So where is it all gone ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acre
http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/wtc-photo.jpg Huge photo (slow loading,zoomable)
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First you need to explain how "100 American football fields" worth of steel mesh and floorpans magically would come to rest on the TOP of the debris pile for you to see.

Why don't we see all 99 elevators right on top of the debris pile? By your logic, that's what we should see right?
 
Gamolon said:
First you need to explain how "100 American football fields" worth of steel mesh and floorpans magically would come to rest on the TOP of the debris pile for you to see.

Why don't we see all 99 elevators right on top of the debris pile? By your logic, that's what we should see right?
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I'll accept 5 football fields worth.
 
bill smith said:
Well find yur own photo. Remember-at least 100 full size American football fields worth so we will not be satisfied with one or two square meters.
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Of course. I would expect that kind of response after posting such a stupid photo. You posted a photo as evidence of there NOT being 100 American football fields worth of mesh and pans. Problem is, you wouldn't be able to see it if there was some. See the point?

Nice try though.
 
Newtons Bit said:
Could you site that for me, please? It's not a conspiracy theory related item, I'm just interested in the history.
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I went to the NIST site right after posting to come back and site which chapter it is in and it appears that the NIST server with the WTC reports on it is down for maintenance this weekend. I don't remember the exact chapter(s) and I don't have the reports downloaded right now.

If you have the reports downloaded then you should be able to find it quickly. Part of it would be under design and construction and the photos, showing the reinforcement, would be where the floor assembly fire testing is described.
 
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Gamolon said:
Of course. I would expect that kind of response after posting such a stupid photo. You posted a photo as evidence of there NOT being 100 American football fields worth of mesh and pans. Problem is, you wouldn't be able to see it if there was some. See the point?

Nice try though.
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Well if you think that does not sound like a very hollow empty answer good for you. I'm sure nobody noticed.
 
bill smith said:
Considering that most of the concrete was pulverised as proven by the fact that we see very little in the rubble should we not see much more mats or grids of the wire reinforcing and also much more floor pans scattered around and sticking out of te rubble piles ? Between them here must have been 200 acres if laid out flat. I know a lot of it would have been crushed up and so on but both these materials (corrugated steel and mats of wire mesh) are notoriously indestructible in this kind of gravity collapse and with so much of it...?.
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It is kind of odd that we don't see much of this reinforcement in the rubble. The rods were .230" diameter and there were two layers per floor so the use of the term welded wire fabric doesn't provide a real good picture if one doesn't fully appreciate what it is being discussed.
 
bill smith said:
I'll accept 5 football fields worth.
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But this was a controlled demolition that came straight down into it's own footprint.

You are asking me to produce 7 floors worth of mesh and pans that magically came to the TOP of the debris pile.

Are you understanding yet?

Please explain how even 7 floors of mesh and pans would have magically come to rest on the TOP of the debris pile for all to see.

I want to see this explanation.
 
bill smith said:
Well if you think that does not sound like a very hollow empty answer good for you. I'm sure nobody noticed.
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You mean as hollow as your photo which was supposed to show the lack of steel mesh and floorpans when you wouldn't even be able to see it anyways?

:rolleyes:
 
Tony Szamboti said:
It is kind of odd that we don't see much of this reinforcement in the rubble. The rods were .230" diameter and there were two layers per floor so the use of the term welded wire fabric doesn't provide a real good picture if one doesn't fully appreciate what it is being discussed.
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Is it only 'odd' though or is it VERY odd ?
 
Gamolon said:
You mean as hollow as your photo which was supposed to show the lack of steel mesh and floorpans when you wouldn't even be able to see it anyways?

:rolleyes:
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Like I said...you are free to find your own photos in the thousands that are out there.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
It is kind of odd that we don't see much of this reinforcement in the rubble. The rods were .230" diameter and there were two layers per floor so the use of the term welded wire fabric doesn't provide a real good picture if one doesn't fully appreciate what it is being discussed.
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Right, a little less than the diameter of a pen.
 
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