The Heiwa Challenge

[Myriad]

If I was to put up the million I would prefer if Heiwa'a opponent was a known 9/11 personality...perhaps lsomebody ike Ray Mackey Msc. I can see the advertising now.

NASA SCIENTIST ACCEPTS MILLION-DOLLAR 9/11 CHALLENGE

MILLION-DOLLAR 9/11 CLASH OF THE TITANS


SATURDAY NIGHT PRIMETIME 9/11 EXTRAVAGANZA

"Opponent?" Heiwa has not requested a duel or a Scrabble game, but a demonstration of a physical phenomenon. One that is, in fact, readily demonstrable given sufficient resources to conduct the demonstration. Who conducts the demonstration is irrelevant to the point, which is whether or not the phenomenon occurs. Personalities have nothing to do with it.

And even if they did, who are these "Titans" of whom you speak? R. Mackey is no celebrity (but something more valuable, in my opinion; a capable and reputable engineer), and there is ample cause for reasonable doubt whether Heiwa is even that.

However, I take it that you will not, after all, be helping to make the challenge happen. That's very disappointing. I guess it all depends on Heiwa then. I shall have to (literally) scale down my expectations accordingly.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[bill smith]

"Opponent?" Heiwa has not requested a duel or a Scrabble game, but a demonstration of a physical phenomenon. One that is, in fact, readily demonstrable given sufficient resources to conduct the demonstration. Who conducts the demonstration is irrelevant to the point, which is whether or not the phenomenon occurs. Personalities have nothing to do with it.

And even if they did, who are these "Titans" of whom you speak? R. Mackey is no celebrity (but something more valuable, in my opinion; a capable and reputable engineer), and there is ample cause for reasonable doubt whether Heiwa is even that.

However, I take it that you will not, after all, be helping to make the challenge happen. That's very disappointing. I guess it all depends on Heiwa then. I shall have to (literally) scale down my expectations accordingly.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Publicity would be the name of the game if it was me. Ray Mackey would become a rocket scientist (which he probably is anyway) and Heiwa would become a super-genius engineer who has advised the UN and stuff like that (which he has). I would make them larger than life as in the best traditions of television. I would play it s a fight to the death of the official story and the Truth via the model argument. and I would have he most watched hour of television in history. And I would educate an audience of hundreds of millions if not billions worldwide in the process.

 

[dtugg]

Publicity would be the name of the game if it was me. Ray Mackey would become a rocket scientist (which he probably is anyway) and Heiwa would become a super-genius engineer who has advised the UN and stuff like that (which he has). I would make them larger than life as in the beat traditions of television. I would play it s a fight to the death of the official story and the Truth via the model argument. and I would have he most watched hour of television in history. And I would educate an audience of hundreds of millions if not billions worldwide in the process.

I've read this about five times and I am still laughing at loud (at you, not with you, bill)! Especially the bolded. Thank you bill smith, the no planer. You are one funny dude! Keep 'em coming!

 

[bill smith]

I've read this about five times and I am still laughing at loud (at you, not with you, bill)! Especially the bolded. Thank you bill smith, the no planer. You are one funny dude! Keep 'em coming!

Praise the Lord.lol

 

[tsig]

Publicity would be the name of the game if it was me. Ray Mackey would become a rocket scientist (which he probably is anyway) and Heiwa would become a super-genius engineer who has advised the UN and stuff like that (which he has). I would make them larger than life as in the best traditions of television. I would play it s a fight to the death of the official story and the Truth via the model argument. and I would have he most watched hour of television in history. And I would educate an audience of hundreds of millions if not billions worldwide in the process.

So you wouldn't mind a little lying to help things along. Humm...

I thought heiwa was a super-genius engineer. What happened?

 

[bill smith]

So you wouldn't mind a little lying to help things along. Humm...

I thought heiwa was a super-genius engineer. What happened?

Nah....not lying....just the standard journalistic licence. And don't forget that in the real world Heiwa is an engineer with a magnificent international reputation.

 

[dtugg]

Heiwa is an engineer with a magnificent international reputation.

Heiwa has no "magnificent international reputation."

 

[tsig]

Nah....not lying....just the standard journalistic licence. And don't forget that in the real world Heiwa is an engineer with a magnificent international reputation.

Does your "real world" overlap reality anywhere?

I don't know of any engineers that have a " magnificent international reputation".

 

[Architect]

Ove Arup himself. Past tense, of course.

 

[GlennB]

Nah....not lying....just the standard journalistic licence. And don't forget that in the real world Heiwa is an engineer with a magnificent international reputation.

Bill is joshing again , and with more than a hint of megalomania about him (again). Sometimes he seems to be listening, sometimes he winds people up relentlessly. It's a dubious trait, and one often exhibited by the insecure.
Dear bill .. what are your true beliefs on the whole 9/11 subject? That's an honest question.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Nah....not lying....just the standard journalistic licence. And don't forget that in the real world Heiwa is an engineer with a magnificent international reputation.

Heiwa works on ships. He hasn't done any engineering since college.

There's more than a few of us here who are actual engineers.

 

[stateofgrace]

Nah....not lying....just the standard journalistic licence. And don't forget that in the real world Heiwa is an engineer with a magnificent international reputation.

Bill, you forgot this ----> , at the end of your post.

 

[Sunstealer]

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Also, whoever puts up the money naturally gets to name the challenge, so if you decide "The Bill Smith Challenge" (or perhaps "The BS Challenge" for short) has a nicer ring to it, go for it!

I've wondered about Bill Smith and the BS moniker. The thing is I can't really tell if he's a troll or a real truther - it's Poe's Law striking again.

 

[Woody-]

......Delurk

They have not yet read my paper at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist3.htm

I was bored tonight so I decided to look at it. I am not an engineer but it only took me a few paragraphs to see where you actually disprove yourself.

From your paper.

Then do the same thing with a solid sphere of steel. Drop it on the floor. If the floor is strong enough, the same thing will happen as with a rubber ball! The steel sphere bounces. If the floor is not strong enough, i.e. it cannot produce a force big enough to deform the steel sphere, so that it bounces back, the floor will be damaged - a hole is formed in it, and the steel sphere drops through the hole at reduced speed and contacts something else below, or the floor is just partially damaged ... and catches the steel ball, i.e. arrests it.

The key phrase is "if the floor is not strong enough... a hole is formed in it and the steel sphere drops through the hole at reduced speed"

That is exactly what happened on 9/11, the "rubble" (your term) dropped through the floor of the wtc and continued "at a reduced speed" and contacted the floor below. But the "rubble" had another 3.7 meters to accelerate before it hit the next floor so it had even more energy than the first event. ie the first 3.7 meter drop started from zero velocity and the next one started at some velocity greater than zero, "a reduced speed" If the first floor the "rubble" contacted didn't stop it then no other floor would since it is only gaining in speed and energy.

......Relurk

 

[MIKILLINI]

If I was to put up the million I would prefer if Heiwa'a opponent was a known 9/11 personality...perhaps lsomebody ike Ray Mackey Msc. I can see the advertising now.

NASA SCIENTIST ACCEPTS MILLION-DOLLAR 9/11 CHALLENGE

MILLION-DOLLAR 9/11 CLASH OF THE TITANS


SATURDAY NIGHT PRIMETIME 9/11 EXTRAVAGANZA

If? What do you surmise Bill? IF you were quite sure of your conspiracist friend Heiwa, wouldn't you agree Myriads structure requirements are acceptable? or would you rather stick to the pasta model?

 

[tsig]

......Delurk



I was bored tonight so I decided to look at it. I am not an engineer but it only took me a few paragraphs to see where you actually disprove yourself.

From your paper.




The key phrase is "if the floor is not strong enough... a hole is formed in it and the steel sphere drops through the hole at reduced speed"

That is exactly what happened on 9/11, the "rubble" (your term) dropped through the floor of the wtc and continued "at a reduced speed" and contacted the floor below. But the "rubble" had another 3.7 meters to accelerate before it hit the next floor so it had even more energy than the first event. ie the first 3.7 meter drop started from zero velocity and the next one started at some velocity greater than zero, "a reduced speed" If the first floor the "rubble" contacted didn't stop it then no other floor would since it is only gaining in speed and energy.

......Relurk

Plus the steel ball was much less than 10% of the weight of the floor. You have won one million!!

 

[332nd]

Publicity would be the name of the game if it was me. Ray Mackey would become a rocket scientist (which he probably is anyway) and Heiwa would become a super-genius engineer who has advised the UN and stuff like that (which he has). I would make them larger than life as in the best traditions of television. I would play it s a fight to the death of the official story and the Truth via the model argument. and I would have he most watched hour of television in history. And I would educate an audience of hundreds of millions if not billions worldwide in the process.

 

[Heiwa]

From your paper. ...




The key phrase is "if the floor is not strong enough... a hole is formed in it and the steel sphere drops through the hole at reduced speed"

That is exactly what happened on 9/11, the "rubble" (your term) dropped through the floor of the wtc and continued "at a reduced speed" and contacted the floor below. But the "rubble" had another 3.7 meters to accelerate before it hit the next floor so it had even more energy than the first event. ie the first 3.7 meter drop started from zero velocity and the next one started at some velocity greater than zero, "a reduced speed" If the first floor the "rubble" contacted didn't stop it then no other floor would since it is only gaining in speed and energy.

Thanks for reading my paper. The rubble - term introduced by Bazant - is part B in his theorem - and it consists of compressed, damaged, loose elements of part A only according Bazant and of parts A and C according to me. If you study my paper carefully you will see that all energy applied at contact will be absorbed by this rubble very quickly = destruction is arrested. If not, part C will be destroyed before part A and then destruction is arrested. C can never destroy A because they have same structure initially and a small part C of structure cannot destroy the remaining bigger part A by C being dropped on A.

Note that steel sphere C has not same structure as floor A in my paper. It was just an example to get you started. If C has same structure than A no hole is formed in A unless there is also a hole formed in C.

 

[chran]

So far 20 replies and none close to manage the challenge. So it seems crushing a structure with a piece of it, is not possible. NIST is therefore wrong!

Heiwa, I have contacted the Nobel Committe in Stockholm to inform them of this, and they assured me that they will be contacting you shortly to award you the Nobel Prize!

Please wait by the phone.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

5. Before test 1/10th of the structure is disconnected at the top at h = 0.9 h without damaging the structure.

This condition is self-contradictory. If it was attached, and is then disconnected, it is by definition damaged.

Heiwa has an international reputation in the field of structural damage analysis.

I wholeheartedly agree.

It's not a very good reputation, though.

See post #1 above.

BTW I'll pay you $1M if you can produce a structure that can be crushed like that. Suteki desu ne!? Get working!

Nobby's Counter-Challenge

I will donate US$10 (sorry, really can't afford more) to the charity of the winner's choice for the first person to prove that Heiwa has US$1M to spend on his challenge.

If within 20 days there is no winner, I will donate it to the charity of my choice. Namely, the ALS Association.

Feel free to use raw spaghetti, lemons, pizza boxes, or any other food-related material in devising your proof.

Ready? Set? Go!