The Heiwa Challenge

[Heiwa]

Heiwa;

Why, do you think, are 99%* of the world's engineers not in the truth movement?




*Yes, I'm estimating, of course, but you know I'm close.

They have not yet read my paper at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist3.htm !

 

[dtugg]

They have not yet read my paper at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist3.htm !

Speaking of papers, have you heard from the Journal of Engineering Mechanics yet? Remember, you told me that there is a 100% chance that they are going to publish the paper that you submitted to them. Just wondering how that's going...

Oh and it looks like Myriad is willing to take the challenge so long as you prove you have the money and draw up a legally binding contract. You aren't going to back out now, are you? After all you are correct, 10% of a structure cannot destroy 90% of it. Right? And you do have the money. Right? If so, when can we expect to see this happen?

 

[GlennB]

PS: It's late afternoon in most of Europe, and I have not yet been contacted by Heiwa or his attorney about the challenge contract. Perhaps the prize money is currently tied up in securities and he's waiting until the funds can be moved.

I'm disappointed. I would have thought that the "European Agency for Safety at Sea" would have internet banking and funds transfer facilities. The mere lack of response to your proposal is shoddy, to say the least.

 

[beachnut]

Sorry to keep inflicting this model on everybody but I think it is a good aid to providing a mental image of various collapse phenomena
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Have a look at this model. Pretend it is six feet tall. Be honest now and tell me if you really think the top 10% will crush the lower 90% down level with the ground if dropped 6'' or 9'' onto it

Take 240 long spaghetti sticks to act as as the perimeter columns with an aditional 47 x 4 sticks to represent the stronger core spaced in a rectangle to cover about 60% of the centre of the structure. Then you have 110 x compressed glue and superfine sugar floors made to scale with holes drilled to correspond to the column locations. Then each floor is carefully slid down over he spaghetti columns and glued into position corresponding to the 110 floors of the WTC Towers. Allow to dry. Then anchor the columns in a solid surface. Allow to dry.

Finally lift up the top (and lightest) 10% of the model and drop it say 6'' onto the lower 90%.
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For intance in the case of the still-standing core column sections in a recent video. Have a look at the collapse of the North Tower in the attached clip. As you see, immediately after the collapse there is a huge section (800-900 feet tall ?) left standng for some seconds after the rest goes down. Now if you hold the model in your mind's eye and start the collapse sequence it is plainly obvious that this upstanding core section eviscerates- guts- the falling block that has been designated 'C'. So at the very least we can say for certain that the supposed rigid block 'C' no longer exists past the point where the still-standing columns begin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8lrTy5mrZY

(for some reason this video takes ages to load- for me anyway but it DOES load in the end)

You have no clue what the purpose of a model is since you show things you would expect to see different from your model. Your post confirm Bazant's model. His model does not explain the core remaining; that is explained by the structural makeup of the Towers. Gee, Bazant is not surprised a portion of the core column is standing for seconds, that is due to the unique design of the WTC and you gloat as you make stupid posts and receive praise from Heiwa who makes up his lies and fools you into boarding his fantasyland train of failed physics and dirt dumb engineering.

Heiwa has great model of lemons, and kids jumping on beds to pizza boxes. Heiwa draws his failed conclusion on 911 from his failed models.

A mathematical model of the tower’s collapse has a purpose, you look at the work done on 911 and have no clue what the purpose of different models were, and you make up your own failed ideas not based on engineering. Keep on receiving praise from Heiwa, either you will teach him, or yourself, or you both continue to diverge into pure stupid as you are doing now.

 

[Disbelief]

I think it's fair to say that if nobody of all the thousands of jref members, vested interests and concerned citizens yhat are no doubt reading this page accept Heiwa's challenge within, say 20 days that Heiwa can be said to have successfully debunked he government story and that another and independent 9/11 enquiry is urgently and immediately called for.

So, the challenge has now been accepted. If Heiwa can't prove that he has the money to cover the challenge, say in 20 days, that means that Heiwa has been successfully debunked and can stop touting his "theory."

 

[Dave Rogers]

Based on some of the results of that discussion, I will take this challenge under the following additional conditions.

1. A prize of a minimum of $100,000 is offered, with the funds held in escrow by a third party to be mutually agreed upon.

I have a feeling that this 10% of the challenge fund is about to destroy both itself and the remaining 90%, in clear violation of Bjorkman's Axiom.

Dave

 

[bill smith]

I have a feeling that this 10% of the challenge fund is about to destroy both itself and the remaining 90%, in clear violation of Bjorkman's Axiom.

Dave

B R E A K I N G B A Z A N T
This is getting more and more televisual by the minute. Who will be the first to contact the networks and independent media operators ? Everybody loves a Challenge with a million-dollar payoff especally when it involves making and breakng, both of structures and people. Very educational for the general public too in terms of understanding the collapses on 9/11. It looks like a win-win situation all round.

 

[dtugg]

B R E A K I N G B A Z A N T
This is getting more and more televisual by the minute. Who will be the irst to contact the networks and independent media operators ? Everybody loves a Challenge with a million-dollar payoff especally when it involves making and breakng, both of dtructures and people. Very educational for the general public too in terms of understanding the collapses on 9/11. It looks like a win-win situation all round.

You see, stuff like this is why I am not sure if you are serious or not. Nothing is ever going to happen of this. You know why? Because your hero, Anders Bjorkman is a liar. He has no million dollars. He is not going to follow through with this. When he doesn't, are you going to see him for the fraudulent liar that he is?

 

[bill smith]

You have no clue what the purpose of a model is since you show things you would expect to see different from your model. Your post confirm Bazant's model. His model does not explain the core remaining; that is explained by the structural makeup of the Towers. Gee, Bazant is not surprised a portion of the core column is standing for seconds, that is due to the unique design of the WTC and you gloat as you make stupid posts and receive praise from Heiwa who makes up his lies and fools you into boarding his fantasyland train of failed physics and dirt dumb engineering.

Heiwa has great model of lemons, and kids jumping on beds to pizza boxes. Heiwa draws his failed conclusion on 911 from his failed models.

A mathematical model of the tower’s collapse has a purpose, you look at the work done on 911 and have no clue what the purpose of different models were, and you make up your own failed ideas not based on engineering. Keep on receiving praise from Heiwa, either you will teach him, or yourself, or you both continue to diverge into pure stupid as you are doing now.

Beachnut from what I hear on the Pilot's forum you are actually a Pilot though no longer an active one. So you know what you are talking about. It's just a pity that you don't seem to understand that most Truthers are acting from their absolute conviction that 9/11 was an inside job. So maybe you should take a different approach than the continual insults . It gets really quite boring.

 

[Heiwa]

Speaking of papers, have you heard from the Journal of Engineering Mechanics yet?

No! I made the submission on 3 March 2009. Haven't heard from ASCE or its Journal of Engineering Mechanics since.
In the meantime I have improved my website - link above.

 

[bill smith]

No! I made the submission on 3 March 2009. Haven't heard from ASCE or its Journal of Engineering Mechanics since.
In the meantime I have improved my website - link above.

You know what I think the Journal for Engineering Mechanics should do ? I think they should print your srticle and underneath they should write a oiece on why they did not want to publish it. That would educate the public in why a technical piece does not always pass peer review. They could show examples.

 

[Heiwa]

You know what I think the Journal for Engineering Mechanics should do ? I think they should print your srticle and underneath they should write a oiece on why they did not want to publish it. That would educate the public in why a technical piece does not always pass peer review. They could show examples.

We'll see. Editor Corotis seems OK. I have not only sent the paper but also a Copyright Transfer Agreement, &c to ASCE. It seems they are peer reviewing. I haven't got a clue how ASCE works. It seems Bazant opus I 2001 was not peer reviewed at all ... according Corotis. It was just published. In the meantime my web site is quite popular.

 

[beachnut]

Beachnut from what I hear on the Pilot's forum you are actually a Pilot though no longer an active one. So you know what you are talking about. It's just a pity that you don't seem to understand that most Truthers are acting from their absolute conviction that 9/11 was an inside job. So maybe you should take a different approach than the continual insults . It gets really quite boring.

Your posts of lies, hearsay and fantasy are an insult to those who died on 911 due to the fact your delusions are not supported by facts and evidence.
You like the cult chant "inside job". You repeat the failed cult ideas and fail to present evidence to justify your lies, hearsay, and fantasy.

Sorry, my pilot license is good for life; your lack of knowledge is massive on 911 and FAA topics.

You absolute conviction of an inside job verifies your lack of knowledge and shallow research? You believe 911 was an “inside job” based on hearsay lies and fantasy; not very intellectual. You insult yourself by repeating the lies Balsamo makes up for you to repeat for him. He implies lies you repeat them for Balsamo. You are a good cult member.

Balsamo is not an airline pilot, he lacks the qualifications; he sells implication of lies and his “offer of no theories” on 911 for 16 bucks on DVD.

What would Balsamo do on Heiwa’s challenge; he can’t do math or physics so he is predestined to fail.

Heiwa challenge is proven wrong with physics. Poor Heiwa all I can say is:

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[bill smith]

We'll see. Editor Corotis seems OK. I have not only sent the paper but also a Copyright Transfer Agreement, &c to ASCE. It seems they are peer reviewing. I haven't got a clue how ASCE works. It seems Bazant opus I 2001 was not peer reviewed at all ... according Corotis. It was just published. In the meantime my web site is quite popular.

How does peer review normlly work ? I always imagine that they send a copy of the article to ten or so highly respected engineers for a motivated oinion and then somebody collates the opinions into a pass or fail.

 

[bill smith]

Your posts of lies, hearsay and fantasy are an insult to those who died on 911 due to the fact your delusions are not supported by facts and evidence.
You like the cult chant "inside job". You repeat the failed cult ideas and fail to present evidence to justify your lies, hearsay, and fantasy.

Sorry, my pilot license is good for life; you lack of knowledge is massive on 911 and FAA topics.

You absolute conviction of an inside job verifies your lack of knowledge and shallow research? You believe 911 was an “inside job” based on hearsay lies and fantasy; not very intellectual. You insult yourself by repeating the lies Balsamo makes up for you to repeat for him. He implies lies you repeat them for Balsamo. You are a good cult member.

Balsamo is not an airline pilot, he lacks the qualifications; he sells implication of lies and his “offer of no theories” on 911 for 16 bucks on DVD.

What would Balsamo do on Heiwa’s challenge; he can’t do math or physics so he is predestined to fail.

Heiwa challenge is proven wrong with physics. Poor Heiwa all I can say is:

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Well Beachnut, all I can say is 'knock yourself out'.

 

[Myriad]

B R E A K I N G B A Z A N T
This is getting more and more televisual by the minute. Who will be the first to contact the networks and independent media operators ? Everybody loves a Challenge with a million-dollar payoff especally when it involves making and breakng, both of structures and people. Very educational for the general public too in terms of understanding the collapses on 9/11. It looks like a win-win situation all round.

Are you hinting that you are willing to underwrite the challenge for the full million dollars, should Heiwa for some reason opt not to put up the funds? If you do, then you may contact whatever media you wish, under the stipulation that any media representatives present at the test site must obey all safety rules I deem necessary. (Great, now I'll have to hire security too... but if the prize is a million I suppose I can afford that.)

Also, whoever puts up the money naturally gets to name the challenge, so if you decide "The Bill Smith Challenge" (or perhaps "The BS Challenge" for short) has a nicer ring to it, go for it!

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[bill smith]

Are you hinting that you are willing to underwrite the challenge for the full million dollars, should Heiwa for some reason opt not to put up the funds? If you do, then you may contact whatever media you wish, under the stipulation that any media representatives present at the test site must obey all safety rules I deem necessary. (Great, now I'll have to hire security too... but if the prize is a million I suppose I can afford that.)

Also, whoever puts up the money naturally gets to name the challenge, so if you decide "The Bill Smith /Challenge" (or perhaps "The BS Challenge" for short) has a hangs nicer ring to it, go for it!

Respectfully,
Myriad

If I was to put up the million I would prefer if Heiwa'a opponent was a known 9/11 personality...perhaps lsomebody ike Ray Mackey Msc. I can see the advertising now.

NASA SCIENTIST ACCEPTS MILLION-DOLLAR 9/11 CHALLENGE

MILLION-DOLLAR 9/11 CLASH OF THE TITANS


SATURDAY NIGHT PRIMETIME 9/11 EXTRAVAGANZA

 

[beachnut]

Well Beachnut, all I can say is 'knock yourself out'.

Your hollow posts sound good. But you and Heiwa are a perfect pair to defend this vaporous million dollar challenge, I suggest you get the help of the math impaired p4t experts to help with the DVD release of more stupid ideas you and Heiwa can manufacture and make some money off of other knowledge challenged chumps by selling them DVDs.

7 plus years of failure is not a good goal; but you have achieved it easily like Heiwa, Balsamo and other 911Truth frauds.


If you understood physics you would not defend Heiwa, Lear or the lies of Balsamo and you would laugh at Heiwa’s challenge. Why and what motivates you to gravitate to nut case ideas on 911?

 

[dtugg]

If I was to put up the million I would prefer if Heiwa'a opponent was a known 9/11 ersonality...perhaps lsomebody ike Ray Mackey Msc. I can see the advertising now.

NASA SCIENTIST ACCEPTS MILLION-DOLLAR 9/11 CHALLENGE

MILLION-DOLLAR 9/11 CLASH OF THE TITANS


SATURDAY NIGHT PRIMETIME 9/11 EXTRAVAGANZA

I wish you or Heiwa had a million dollars to put up. It would be hilarious to watch Mackey or somebody else take it from you. It would definitely make my week:

NASA SCIENTIST TAKES MILLION DOLLARS FROM INTERNET KOOK!

 

[stateofgrace]

If I was to put up the million I would prefer if Heiwa'a opponent was a known 9/11 personality...perhaps lsomebody ike Ray Mackey Msc. I can see the advertising now.

NASA SCIENTIST ACCEPTS MILLION-DOLLAR 9/11 CHALLENGE

MILLION-DOLLAR 9/11 CLASH OF THE TITANS


SATURDAY NIGHT PRIMETIME 9/11 EXTRAVAGANZA

* snigger*

So,back on planet earth,as your hero agreed to put up the money yet ?