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The Heiwa Challenge

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The Heiwa Challenge


It is assumed at JREF 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Forum that a structure will be crushed, if you drop a piece (1/10th) of the same structure on it and that it is quite normal - no conspiracy. So here is the challenge: Prove it!

Conditions:

1. The structure is supposed to have a certain cross area A and height h and is fixed on the ground. The structure is an assembly of various elements of any type. It can be any size!
2. The structure should be more or less identical from h = 0 to h = h, e.g. uniform density, layout of internal elements, etc. Horizontal elements in structure should be identical. Vertical, load carrying elements should be similar and be uniformly stressed due to gravity, i.e. bottom vertical elements may be reinforced or made a little stronger, if required. Connections between elements should be similar throughout.
3. It is recognized that the structure may be a little higher stressed at h=0 than h=h due to uniform density, elements, etc.
4. Before drop test the structure shall be stable, i.e. carry itself and withstand a small lateral impact at top without falling apart. Connections between elements cannot rely solely on friction.
5. Before test 1/10th of the structure is disconnected at the top at h = 0.9 h without damaging the structure.
6. The lower structure, 0.9 h high is then called part A. The top part, 0.1 h high, is called part C.
7. Mass of part C should be <1/9th of mass of part A.
8. Now drop part C on part A and crush part A (if you can! That's the test).
9. In order to easily repeat the test/challenge drop height should be <1.1 h, i.e. C can only be dropped from 2h above ground on A that is 0.9 h high.
10. Structure is only considered crushed, when >70% of the elements in part A are disconnected from each other after test, i.e. drop by part C on A.

Have a try! I look forward to your structures!

Heiwa
 
Odd that none of his previous modeling examples, lemons, sponges, pizza boxes, met any of those conditions.


Björkman claims that no planes hit the Twin Towers or the Pentagon or crashed near Shanksville, which makes him a rarity even among the most delusional "truthers": a quadruple no-planer.
Björkman claims that all evidence of the aircraft impacts is fake and all witness accounts are invalid
. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.
Björkman claims that if 30 stories of one of the Twin Towers was dropped on the lower 80 stories from a height of two miles, it would bounce off without damaging the lower portion. And again.
Björkman says a Tower wouldn't be destroyed if a 60-million-pound block of ice was dropped on it, then denies making that claim.
Björkman claims that all photo and video evidence showing severe fires and structural failure in the WTC buildings is fake. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.
Björkman claims that WTC 7 was demolished by a vacuum.
Björkman believes that the authors of the NIST WTC reports don't exist.
Björkman believes that steel structures are indestructible, even by nuclear weapons. And again. And again. However, Björkman also believes that 16,500-22,000 lbs of high explosives may have been used to demolish each Twin Tower...with no detectable detonations.
Björkman is an engineer who believes that weight = mass. No, really.
Björkman believes his house would survive an asteroid impact.
Björkman again attempts to revise the laws of physics.
Björkman says a bathroom scale will register the same weight whether you stand on it or jump on it.
Björkman says the Twin Tower fires were "minor office fires."
Björkman makes the egregiously false claim that the FDNY said it could handle the fires in the Towers.
Björkman believes that columns become stronger when their supports are removed.
Björkman believes that the structures of the Twin Towers were comparable to cheese, pizza boxes, match boxes, rubber balls, sponges, a bicycle running into a wall, a child jumping on a bed, a tower of sushi, and a tower of lemons.
 
Heiwa: The chief structural engineer of WTC, Leslie Robertson, doesnt agree with you. What do you think of him? Is the thousands of engineers agree with the NIST report just completly wrong?

And how come you still cant find a single engineer agreeing with you?
 


Notice after the subject starts to lean, it does not "topple over the side?"

What do i win?
 
Heiwa,
Do you have any good Sushi restaurants you could recommend?
Thanks for your assistance!
 
The Heiwa Challenge


It is assumed at JREF 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Forum that a structure will be crushed, if you drop a piece (1/10th) of the same structure on it and that it is quite normal - no conspiracy. So here is the challenge: Prove it!

Conditions:

1. The structure is supposed to have a certain cross area A and height h and is fixed on the ground. The structure is an assembly of various elements of any type. It can be any size!
2. The structure should be more or less identical from h = 0 to h = h, e.g. uniform density, layout of internal elements, etc. Horizontal elements in structure should be identical. Vertical, load carrying elements should be similar and be uniformly stressed due to gravity, i.e. bottom vertical elements may be reinforced or made a little stronger, if required. Connections between elements should be similar throughout.
3. It is recognized that the structure may be a little higher stressed at h=0 than h=h due to uniform density, elements, etc.
4. Before drop test the structure shall be stable, i.e. carry itself and withstand a small lateral impact at top without falling apart. Connections between elements cannot rely solely on friction.
5. Before test 1/10th of the structure is disconnected at the top at h = 0.9 h without damaging the structure.
6. The lower structure, 0.9 h high is then called part A. The top part, 0.1 h high, is called part C.
7. Mass of part C should be <1/9th of mass of part A.
8. Now drop part C on part A and crush part A (if you can! That's the test).
9. In order to easily repeat the test/challenge drop height should be <1.1 h, i.e. C can only be dropped from 2h above ground on A that is 0.9 h high.
10. Structure is only considered crushed, when >70% of the elements in part A are disconnected from each other after test, i.e. drop by part C on A.

Have a try! I look forward to your structures!

Heiwa

Where's the million dollars? There was supposed to be a million dollars.
 
Heiwa - Just watch videos of the attacks on 911. Two rather large towers in America collapsed from the top down, no demolitions - just structural damage, weight and gravity.


I also bought 5 eggs. I placed 4 in an upright tube. I hard boiled the fifth and dropped it from 2 miles. Guess what:jaw-dropp
 
And you think we should bother to prove you're a fallacious engineer?
Heiwa said:
1. The structure is supposed to have a certain cross area A and height h and is fixed on the ground. The structure is an assembly of various elements of any type. It can be any size!
Forget fallacious engineer. This guy doesn't even grasp high-school level physics.
 
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The Heiwa Challenge


It is assumed at JREF 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Forum that a structure will be crushed, if you drop a piece (1/10th) of the same structure on it and that it is quite normal - no conspiracy. So here is the challenge: Prove it!

Since your assumption is completely wrong and in no represents what happened to WTC 1 and 2. Why would anybody bother taking up this challenge?

DUHHHH.
 
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Good to know we can still count on Heiwa for a good laugh once in a while. :D
 
I think this is an interesting challenge. I don't get too involved in the physics discussions because I don't have that background, but I get Heiwa's basic premise, and I've been wondering if a similar example can be produced.

If I could ask a layman's question: Doesn't the 1/10th piece crashing through the other 9/10ths presuppose that the upper block had to simultaneously and instantaneously be separated from the lower structure?

Has NIST or anyone else ever tried to explain how this global separation occurred?
 
Heiwa - you've made a mistake. There isn't any damage to the structure. Which part of the structure is the damaged part in? If there is a damaged part then why is it classed as part of A or C and not seperate?
 
Heiwa,
I just visited a local Sushi establishment and attempted your experiment.
Needless to say the owner was not all too happy and kicked me out!
I HOPE YOU ARE PROUD OF YOURSELF!!!!
 
I think this is an interesting challenge. I don't get too involved in the physics discussions because I don't have that background, but I get Heiwa's basic premise, and I've been wondering if a similar example can be produced.

If I could ask a layman's question: Doesn't the 1/10th piece crashing through the other 9/10ths presuppose that the upper block had to simultaneously and instantaneously be separated from the lower structure?

Has NIST or anyone else ever tried to explain how this global separation occurred?

Try reading it.
 
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