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The Heiwa Challenge

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Heiwa said:
The Heiwa Challenge


It is assumed at JREF 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Forum that a structure will be crushed, if you drop a piece (1/10th) of the same structure on it and that it is quite normal -
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No. No such assumption has been made about "a" structure. This "challenge" is based on false premises. It is, in a word, stoopid.
 
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Heiwa has an international reputation in the field of structural damage analysis.
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I didn't know him before having heard of his pizza box emperiment. First lie.

He is therefore very well placed to make this Challenge.
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He doesn't know the scale effect. Second lie.

Furthermore he is offering an extremely attractive incentive for somebody to help the government out by proving him wrong.
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Some people who are very qualified proved him he was wrong. He ignored their objections. Third lie.

If nobody will accept the Challenge under conditions like these we abslutely know with 100% certainty that nobody can do it.
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Binary reasoning. Do you also imply that "if A can't prove B is wrong, therefore it shows implicitly that A is wrong"?

Therefore the official account is not true and a new and independent 9/11 enquiry is an urgent neccessity. An immediate neccessity.
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Binary reasoning, and who to lead the new investigation?
BTW, I have enough elements to evaluate you with my crackpot index. I expect an high score. UPDATE: you got a score of 195. Congratration, no-planer!




Where's my million?
 
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bill smith said:
Heiwa has an international reputation in the field of structural damage analysis. He is therefore very well placed to make this Challenge. Furthermore he is offering an extremely attractive incentive for somebody to help the government out by proving him wrong. We are talking a not-so-small fortune here Dtugg. If nobody will accept the Challenge under conditions like these we abslutely know with 100% certainty that nobody can do it.Therefore the official account is not true and a new and independent 9/11 enquiry is an urgent neccessity. An immediate neccessity.
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Heiwa does not have an international reputation in the field of structural analysis nor does he have a million dollars. He is a liar.
 
bill. A little hint. This forum isn't the real world. This isn't the place you would try to get a New Investigationtm started.
 
RedIbis said:
You don't have any idea where it's discussed, or if it's discussed at all, do you?
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You haven't read it have you? Do so, and come back and I will discuss it. asking others to do your own work for you is very rude.

I know what NIST say about the collapse initiation. I know what NIST say about the reason the collapse could not halt and propogated into a full collapse.

You could try and watch the videos, you see it happening. It a simple concept, even for you.
 
HeyLeroy said:
What do I win?
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Perhaps you have missed Heiwa's condition number 2. Sky scrapers never have a uniform density, they're built much stronger at the bottom than at the top, otherwise they would collapse. By making uniform density a condition for his challenge, he demands that the model is quite unlike the World Trade Center buildings. He has also made it much easier to win.

I've seen in a documentary that structural engineers sometimes use dry spaghetti to model some structural designs. I think someone who has some dry spaghetti and some glue can easily win this challenge.
 
Earthborn said:
Perhaps you have missed Heiwa's condition number 2. Sky scrapers never have a uniform density, they're built much stronger at the bottom than at the top, otherwise they would collapse. By making uniform density a condition for his challenge, he demands that the model is quite unlike the World Trade Center buildings. He has also made it much easier to win.

I've seen in a documentary that structural engineers sometimes use dry spaghetti to model some structural designs. I think someone who has some dry spaghetti and some glue can easily win this challenge.
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Thus condition 3 is added to help you. Any structure you can develop will be considered. I am curious about the spaghetti and glue one! Spaghetti al denti + pesto of different types is one of my favourites ... for lunch or dinner. + some glasses of chianto classico.
 
RedIbis said:
You really think that's an example of what he was asking for?
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Thanks !The video clearly confirms the NIST's and Bazant's theorems. Part C must really be solid to crush part A. But in reality top WTC 1 was less solid than the part below. I wonder why NIST and Bazant do not understand that?
 
Heiwa said:
Thus condition 3 is added to help you. Any structure you can develop will be considered. I am curious about the spaghetti and glue one! Spaghetti al denti + pesto of different types is one of my favourites ... for lunch or dinner. + some glasses of chianto classico.
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such a model could look something like this maybe;-

Take 240 long spaghetti sticks to act as as the perimeter columns with an aditional 47 x 4 sticks to represent the stronger core spaced in a rectangle to cover about 60& of the centre of the structure. Then you have 110 x compressed glue and superfine sugar floors made to scale with holes drilled to correspond to the column locations. Then each floor is carefully slid down over he spaghetti columns and glued into position corresponding to the 110 floors of the WTC Towers. Allow to dry. Then anchor the columns in a solid surface. Allow to dry.

Finally lift up the top (and lightest) 10% of the model and drop it say 6'' onto the lower 90%. Then go and get a takeaway because you will not tbe having spaghetti for dinner. lol
 
bill smith said:
Heiwa has an international reputation in the field of structural damage analysis. He is therefore very well placed to make this Challenge. Furthermore he is offering an extremely attractive incentive for somebody to help the government out by proving him wrong. We are talking a not-so-small fortune here Dtugg. If nobody will accept the Challenge under conditions like these we abslutely know with 100% certainty that nobody can do it.Therefore the official account is not true and a new and independent 9/11 enquiry is an urgent neccessity. An immediate neccessity.
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Thanks! When I presented my findings about ship/tanker collisions to the United Nations IMO in 1990-1994, they were were very happy. They didn't know that both ships were damaged! They thought the stricken ship/tanker was always sliced from bilge to main deck, oil polluting, &c., similar to WTC 1. Later, when my ideas and design were adopted 1997, the US delegation objected but in vain http://heiwaco.tripod.com/ce_imo.htm . The US opposition was not directed from DC but SF (!) where Condolizza Rice then was active in various oily positions. I always wonder why? OK, in 1994 something else happened http://heiwaco.tripod.com/disasterinvestigation.htm
 
bill smith said:
such a model could look something like this maybe;-

Take 240 long spaghetti sticks to act as as the perimeter columns with an aditional 47 x 4 sticks to represent the stronger core spaced in a rectangle to cover about 60& of the centre of the structure. Then you have 110 x compressed glue and superfine sugar floors made to scale with holes drilled to correspond to the column locations. Then each floor is carefully slid down over he spaghetti columns and glued into position corresponding to the 110 floors of the WTC Towers. Allow to dry. Then anchor the columns in a solid surface. Allow to dry.

Finally lift up the top (and lightest) 10% of the model and drop it say 6'' onto the lower 90%. Then go and get a takeaway because you will not tbe having spaghetti for dinner. lol
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This is a joke, right?
 
bill smith said:
Take 240 long spaghetti sticks to act as as the perimeter columns with an aditional 47 x 4 sticks to represent the stronger core spaced in a rectangle to cover about 60& of the centre of the structure. Then you have 110 x compressed glue and superfine sugar floors made to scale with holes drilled to correspond to the column locations. Then each floor is carefully slid down over he spaghetti columns and glued into position corresponding to the 110 floors of the WTC Towers. Allow to dry. Then anchor the columns in a solid surface. Allow to dry.

Finally lift up the top (and lightest) 10% of the model and drop it say 6'' onto the lower 90%. Then go and get a takeaway because you will not tbe having spaghetti for dinner. lol
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Maybe people here would take you and Heiwa a little more seriously if all your experiments didn't sound like a Blue Peter demonstration?
 
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