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The Heiwa Challenge is terminated.

As the founder of The Heiwa Challenge I have decided to terminate it. Reason is that it is impossible to design a structure A, where a part C of A, when dropped on A, one-way crushes A. Thanks to all participants that tried to prove the impossible.

The knowledge gained can be applied to WTC 1 on 9/11:

At the moment of contact of the WTC 1 upper part C and lower structure, part A, a certain momentum (mass times velocity), energy (momentum times velocity divided by 2) and forces (energy divided by displacement) are involved. Local failures occur in all structural elements involved due to the forces applied, energy is absorbed and consumed, friction forces between failed elements in contact develop, forces and loads are re-distributed, momentums are reduced as outer forces are applied on the parts and the destruction is always arrested after a while.

It is not a static or dynamic solid mechanics problem! It is a structural damage analysis matter!

The upper part C of WTC 1 can only apply forces on the lower structure, part A, that the upper part C can itself withstand in the first place. As the upper part C and the lower structure, part A, of WTC 1 have identical structures, the upper part C cannot destroy the lower structure, part A, of WTC 1. Part C will destroy itself first.

I have of course described it in my paper at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist3.htm , which many contenders of The Heiwa Challenge missed.

Anyway - see you in other threads and thanks for your interest in The Heiwa Challenge!
 
Heiwa, your challenge, like your movement, gets "terminated" every time I turn off my computer.

As an aside, you would be treated much better here if you weren't accusing innocent people of mass murder. You'll get no sympathy from me.
 
SteveAustin said:
That's another one of the fallacies that keeps getting promoted here at JREF.

The fallacy of the need to have specific degrees to be able to understand 9/11.

The events of 9/11, even the science behind 9/11 is not really very complicated, but by constantly saying that it is and that you need to be qualified you keep certain people from using their own commen sense and their own critical thinking.

An offshoot of this, and it usually goes hand in hand with labeling something too scientific for the laymen is to make explanations really really complicated so as to obfuscate the entire topic and make it look like it truly is too complicated, but when broken down and studied it turns out it really is simple.

You do not need any speciality in any field to undersand that 9/11 was an inside job, but it helps the agenda of the deniers to pretend that you do.

Anyone that tells you that you are not smart enough or qualified enough to be able to figure these things out on your own is trying to hide something from you.

It's the classic "I am smarter than you are so I am an 'expert' and you need to listen to me, listen to what I say because I know and you cannnot possibly know"
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newton3376 said:
It's not a fallacy at all....



A few points...

Degrees do not always imply the ability to understand something, but they are usually a good indicator of at least a basic understanding of principles (like math and physics for example).

I have worked with and currently work with other engineers and scientists that have everything from a Bachelors degree to 2 or more PhDs.... I have met some individuals with Bachelors degrees who were smarter than the guys with the PhDs...maybe not more knowledgable, but smarter in terms of raw intelligence.

So are degrees everything? No, of course not...

BUT

Having a degree does imply a certain level of competence in a particular subject, and usually the more advanced degrees require more time, experience, and knowledge...

....but a degree is just the beginning....

Then there is EXPERIENCE. Experience working on various projects in the real world, which is an education in and of itself. The degree prepares you for the real education of actually working in the engineering or science fields in real life....

The combination of education and experience is what makes up someones background in the subject.

Of course, since you don't have either you find what I am saying to be either fallicious or offensive.....:oldroll: no surprise there.



The events of 9/11 were very complicated on several levels....

Unqualified people always cry and complain about "common sense" while not using it themselves. It's deliciously ironic.

9/11 involves the engineering community, the intelligence community, the military, the defense department, the defense contractors, first responders, etc....and the vast majority of experts and people working in these fields are not truthers.

Truthers try to simplify 9/11 by using models of the WTC made out of fruit and legos.....the fact that you can't see why this is a problem tells me you are unqualified to even have an opinon.

You know who usually whines about a lack of education and experience? Those who haven't bothered to spend the time getting either.



From my experience (theres that word again;)) topics in engineering and science are rarely "simple". There are levels and layers to understanding something, so there is certainly a level or layer that is "simple" or has a simplistic explanation or analogy....but the devil is in the details.

And the details is usually where the actual math, physics, and engineering can be found.....this is where people who are unqualified and don't understand the math, physics, or engineering start to cry and complain...

"It's too hard!!!" "You're making it too complicated!!!"

Sorry if you don't get it...that's life. Deal with it and stop complaining. It isn't my fault you didn't get a degree in engineering or read enough math and physics on your own to "get it"...

It also isn't my fault that you have zero years of engineering experience.



Sorry, you don't have the education or experience in the relevant areas to determine whether or not 9/11 was an inside job.

Maybe you should just listen to the experts instead of your own uninformed and uneducated ideas.....



As painful as it might be to admit....it is a fact of life that some people are simply smarter or better in specific areas than other people.

And sometimes someone is just plain smarter overall than someone else. Some people are more intelligent than others....:con2: Sorry if that bothers you, but it's life.

So yes, some people are not smart enough or qualified enough to figure these things out on there own....if you don't like that, it's not my problem. It's the way reality is. Deal with it.



The experts are smarter than you because they have both the education and experience in the relevant areas. You don't.

I'm sorry if this is some kind of a personal issue with you....go get a degree and start getting some relevant experience if it bothers you so much.

But until you do....

You aren't qualified.
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Q.E.D.
 
twinstead said:
Your whining about "experts" is all an attempt at covering up the fact you don't know what you are talking about.
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LOL, it's all you JREF cult members that keep whining about "experts", I have just pointed out the obvious that you do not need to be an "expert" to figure 9/11 was an inside job!

I'm not surprised you see us as whining about "experts" when it is actually you who is doing the whining, you JREF cult members do this sort of thing all the time.

"you need to be an "expert" to understand this" WHAAAA!

"you don't have the required "expertise" to understand this" WHAAAA!

"do you have any degrees in the required fields" WHAAAAA!

On and on and on.
 
Where's my million?

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The antenna array falls and cuts one guy cable almost a quarter mile high up as it drops. The tower of steel which of course is stronger at the bottom than at the top and can clearly support its own weight {bill smith axiom} even with scores of cables pulling down on it. inexplicably buckles and collapses into itself.
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Heiwa said:
The Heiwa Challenge is terminated.
As the founder of The Heiwa Challenge I have decided to terminate it. Reason is that it is possible to design a structure A, where a part C of A, when dropped on A, one-way crushes A. Thanks to all participants that that proved it possible.

The knowledge gained can be applied to WTC 1 on 9/11:


It is not a static or dynamic solid mechanics problem! It is a structural damage analysis matter!

Anyway - see you in other threads and thanks for your interest in The Heiwa Challenge!
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SteveAustin said:
LOL, it's all you JREF cult members that keep whining about "experts", I have just pointed out the obvious that you do not need to be an "expert" to figure 9/11 was an inside job!

I'm not surprised you see us as whining about "experts" when it is actually you who is doing the whining, you JREF cult members do this sort of thing all the time.

"you need to be an "expert" to understand this" WHAAAA!

"you don't have the required "expertise" to understand this" WHAAAA!

"do you have any degrees in the required fields" WHAAAAA!

On and on and on.
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all you need is a youtube account and a big mouth apparently lol
 
bill smith said:
Hmmm? something funny going on.
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You can't figure out physics and engineering. Take a physics class, ask a physics teacher and learn why Heiwa is a fraud.


Heiwa said:
As the founder of The Heiwa Challenge I have decided to terminate it. Reason is that it is impossible to design a structure A, where a part C of A, when dropped on A, one-way crushes A. Thanks to all participants that tried to prove the impossible.

The knowledge gained can be applied to WTC 1 on 9/11:
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You failed on 911 when the towers collapsed due to gravity. You can't do basic physics or grasp gravity and you totally ignore the 130 TONS of TNT kinetic energy released by the falling towers. You don't understand structural engineering applied practically to large buildings and you failed.

You have not done the work to prove your challenge you have made a foolish statements like your 2 mile high drop. The fact is you lost your challenge on 911 and now you are in denial with your delusions replacing reality.

The only impossible thing to design is your understanding 911. The funniest thing about you is your web site where your failure is on display for everyone to see your faulty logic and moronic conclusion.



Here is the poppycock of your scientific paper! Pure political junk!
Dangerous Sect at Work
In the struggle against great, organized, sectarian forces of intolerance and insane self-assertion it is important that scientific reports, papers and analysis of damaged and destroyed steel structures are done by honest people using correct thinking, right feeling and proper estimating of facts. Confused thinking, bad passions, dishonesty, corrupt manners, erroneous assumptions and haste do not contribute to a better understanding of the world around us. They are only normal parts of dangerous sects that threathen us.
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Your support for you ideas is spewing nut case rant attacking real engineers who did the work you can't do. You use political rant to back up your failed engineering. This is the best you can do. Fail

Your work only proves you are a failed engineer, paranoid with delusional opinions based on hearsay and failed physics making up moronic conclusions on 911.
 
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SteveAustin said:
LOL, it's all you JREF cult members that keep whining about "experts", I have just pointed out the obvious that you do not need to be an "expert" to figure 9/11 was an inside job!

I'm not surprised you see us as whining about "experts" when it is actually you who is doing the whining, you JREF cult members do this sort of thing all the time.

"you need to be an "expert" to understand this" WHAAAA!

"you don't have the required "expertise" to understand this" WHAAAA!

"do you have any degrees in the required fields" WHAAAAA!

On and on and on.
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Again. You minimize the need for experts to rationalize the curious lack of expert support for your cause. It's obvious. You can post the crap above all you want. Hell, if my plumber started trying to diagnose my heart condition I'd be asking him for his credentials too.

So, keep up the arrogant chatter. It's entertaining.
 
SteveAustin said:
LOL, it's all you JREF cult members ...

... you JREF cult members do this sort of thing all the time.

"you need to be an "expert" to understand this" WHAAAA!

"you don't have the required "expertise" to understand this" WHAAAA!

"do you have any degrees in the required fields" WHAAAAA!

On and on and on.
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JREF Cult members use rational thought and engineering skills to understand the WTC collapse? What does your movement use? Hearsay, lies, false information, failed physics, delusions, and pure political bias to form moronic conclusions. I think the JREF cult has you beat and you are the one whining about your inability to present engineering work to support the failed ideas of Heiwa you blindly support like a cult member in a religious order of ignorance on 911. Your 911 CT cult failed and as of yet you have not figured out that simple fact but you leave a trail of evidence in this post as you clearly attack others instead of presenting support of your delusions.

You don't have to be an expert to figure this out! Oops, there goes your fist whining point down the tubes.
You don't need any special expertise to understand 911! Oops there goes your failed idea number two.
You don't need degrees in the required fields to understand Heiwa is full of doltish ideas and failed in his challenge. Did you fail at whining and to support Heiwa?

"you need to be an "expert" to understand this" WHAAAA!
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The fact is if you were an expert you would have a better chance of not being wrong about 911 like you insist on being. So why complain about not being an expert; in your case there is a good chance being an expert would not overwhelm your desire to express complete ignorance and make up lies about 911 anyway.

"you don't have the required "expertise" to understand this" WHAAAA!
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Having the required expertise in your case may not be enough to overcome your insistence on remaining ignorant about 911. So you can't use this as your cult identifying talking point. Many people grasp reality and don't need the required expertise to understand 911. Not sure what you point is. I don't think having the required expertise in your case makes a difference.

"do you have any degrees in the required fields" WHAAAAA!
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This is ironic; not a single person in your moronic conclusion cult, including Heiwa, has the right degree and experience to design a 110 story high-rise building. You have failed to save Heiwa from failure! You have only made an attack on those who oppose your failed support of Heiwa. And you have done it poorly.
 
SteveAustin said:
Please post your evidence to support your claim!



Please post your evidence to support your claim!



Please post your evidence to support your claim!
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Do a search on every post made on this forum by "SteveAustin" and you will have your proof....
 
nicepants said:
SteveAustin-

Since you've refused to answer my questions here I've started a new thread in which you can explain your "path of most resistance" claim.
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Bring that over to ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/10/caught_up_in_a_conspiracy_theo.html?page=8#comments

carlito needs your help badly. So far he has not discussed/debated anything but has consistently run and hid from every little question put to him.

He has refused to answer any and all questions and has simply resorted to the JREF tried and true tactic of insult, smear and unsourced claims.

Maybe someone else here will have a better time of it there? Somehow I doubt it, but you never know

;)
 
And here we go again. Agent Steve trying to make twoofers look pathetic by begging people to follow him around the Internet to the comments section of some months old blog post.
 
SteveAustin said:
Bring that over to ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/10/caught_up_in_a_conspiracy_theo.html?page=8#comments

carlito needs your help badly. So far he has not discussed/debated anything but has consistently run and hid from every little question put to him.

He has refused to answer any and all questions and has simply resorted to the JREF tried and true tactic of insult, smear and unsourced claims.

Maybe someone else here will have a better time of it there? Somehow I doubt it, but you never know

;)
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why would we bother to post on a comment string of a blog? Instead of a forum specific to discussing critical thinking, science and the paranormal? Are your arguments not up to snuff here Steve-0? Have you nothing, zero, nada, "0" to support your arguments but a cheer leading squad on a remote obscure blog comment string? A comment string where you protested that you yourself were admonished by the moderators? May I remind you steve-0, you came HERE to spout your ignorance.
 
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