The Great Thermate Debate

leftysergeant said:
Bull flops. The lower edge clearly slows down and breaks apart. Geez!
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You mean blown apart right? Shooting outward over 500 ft. Impaling itself into surrounding structures. That;'s one hell of an impact, that wasn't able to be recorded by a carful measuring test.

No impact, but tons of steel impailed in buildings, ok, makes sense.
 
ElMondoHummus said:
This is probably futile, but: You really don't know what failures occurred or how the towers were built, do you?


You need - repeat, NEED - to read the following threads before continuing on with your arguments:
Two of those were started by another truther making the exact same claim you are, so you should find the opening posts to be familiar. The point is that you need to learn how the towers were constructed and how the failures occurred on that day before making any further claims.



And I just showed you that that's not what Eagar said. Did you even read the article I linked in which he discussed temperatures?



NCSTAR 1-5 and all the subreports. It's all there.



NCSTAR 1-3C. It's all there too. You really should read the material before claiming it isn't present.



Or, the forces of the rubble landing on itself in the pile might have had something to do with it. You realize, of course, that nobody on the FEMA site teams managed to recover any steel before it hit the ground and had the rest of the rubble subsequently land on it, do you?

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Here's the problem: You're starting to run squarely afoul Logan's Law. You also do not have the knowledge about the recovered steel inventory, the failure modes, or the experiments that many people here do; your questions demonstrate this. You need - I say again, NEED - to research what happened before you continue any further. If you do not understand that the columns lost lateral support when the floors failed, and how the falling rubble could fail the floors at the connection points to the columns, then you will not understand why so many columns were indeed not buckled in the middle but instead showed signs of failure at their connection points to each other. If you do not understand that the critical detail to master is the floor truss to column connections, then you do not understand the collapse. It's that simple.

Read those linked threads. It'll help you understand things. Honestly.
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"Or, the forces of the rubble landing on itself in the pile might have had something to do with it. You realize, of course, that nobody on the FEMA site teams managed to recover any steel before it hit the ground and had the rest of the rubble subsequently land on it, do you?"

Ha! Give me break, so a massive steel column, that was only heated to approx 800C, can bend perfectly into a horse shoe with no buckling at all? LMAO! Please explain in detail, like you do.
 
superlogicalthinker said:
Good, an equal and opposite force, now were getting somewhere, so......when the "upperblock" made contact with the remaining structure, where is the opposite reaction? Which would be some sort of deceleration, which we know did not happen at the point of impact, please ask me for proof.
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Ah. Thanks, that'll do. I now know which particular piece of idiocy you claim to believe. If you don't mind, I won't bother posting a refutation for you to ignore, because I've already explained it many times over; if you really want to learn anything, feel free to use the forum search function and find out what I, and many others, have already said on this subject. If not, enjoy the indigestion from the lies you've swallowed.

Dave
 
superlogicalthinker said:
You can still hear em right?
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Which means they had nothing to do with initiating the collapse of the towers.

Big deal if they came from after the collapse, do you know haw they prepare a building for demolition?
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Yeah. With jackhammers and cutting torches. NOT with explosives. go watch "Dynamite Dynasty" in the copmpany of an adult with an IQ over 90 to explain to you what you are seeing.

Obviously not.
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Obviously, my knowledge of this far excedes yours.
 
superlogicalthinker said:
Ha! Give me break, so a massive steel column, that was only heated to approx 800C, can bend perfectly into a horse shoe with no buckling at all?
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Where did this happen? Are you talking about that picture you showed us of the beam that was clearly broken?
 
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leftysergeant said:
Which means they had nothing to do with initiating the collapse of the towers.



Yeah. . NOT with explosives. go watch "Dynamite Dynasty" in the copmpany of an adult with an IQ over 90 to explain to you what you are seeing.



Obviously, my knowledge of this far excedes yours.
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" With jackhammers and cutting torches"

Really?, all of the demolitions are prepared that way? hmmmmmmm Tom Sullivan is an expert, worked for CDI for 12 years strapping charges to columns that were used for preperation. In prep, you take out most of the columns in the basement first. hmmmm fits the 1 and 2 tower sequence perfectly, you know, with those pesky basement explosions.
 
superlogicalthinker said:
" With jackhammers and cutting torches"

Really?, all of the demolitions are prepared that way? hmmmmmmm Tom Sullivan is an expert, worked for CDI for 12 years strapping charges to columns that were used for preperation. In prep, you take out most of the columns in the basement first. hmmmm fits the 1 and 2 tower sequence perfectly, you know, with those pesky basement explosions.
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Are you really trying to assert that the collapses of 1 & 2 started in the basement?
 
superlogicalthinker said:
Great way to dodge the argument, you know you can't win.
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What? We have already won. What you call the "official story" and what rational people call the commonly-held narrative basically IS the story of what happened that day. Even when acknowledging that the NIST report is not perfect, no legitimate engineering, scientific, judicial, or law enforcement agency from anywhere on Earth has come out and said that they suspect that the collapses were caused by explosives. There is no "argument" there is only what "IS".

You are simply a member of a tiny cult whining on obscure internet forums about crap you know nothing about.

Great thermate debate indeed!
 
superlogicalthinker said:
Sorry....but it sounds to me like YOUR the liar here. You say the same things about the FF I just posted, how's it feel?
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You don't know the first thing about the use of witness testimony for forensic purposes, do you?

When was this video taken? Which building was this man in? What is his name? What is the URL for his oral history statement?

You have no context, so you have no useful evidence here. If he is one of the men who survived in that remaining bit of core, you are totally out to lunch. It was the building collapsing and creating an over-pressurization of the entire area in its footprint. Another survivor, or maybe even this one, describes a "wind" blowing them back up the stairs. HE don't do that. Simple fact of science.
 
excaza said:
Are you really trying to assert that the collapses of 1 & 2 started in the basement?
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Nope, nice try, read again, I said nothing of the sort. But, it COULD have been taken out to make sure the building fell smooth and straight, with out stopping and tipping over.
 
leftysergeant said:
You don't know the first thing about the use of witness testimony for forensic purposes, do you?

When was this video taken? Which building was this man in? What is his name? What is the URL for his oral history statement?

You have no context, so you have no useful evidence here. If he is one of the men who survived in that remaining bit of core, you are totally out to lunch. It was the building collapsing and creating an over-pressurization of the entire area in its footprint. Another survivor, or maybe even this one, describes a "wind" blowing them back up the stairs. HE don't do that. Simple fact of science.
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Right, wind LMAO, more like explosive energy!
 
superlogicalthinker said:
"instead of asking experts like Triforcharity or me."

LMAO!! Expert at what, disinforming people?
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I am a veteran military fire fighter and have seen more fires and more detonations of high explosives than four or five typical twoofers will in a life time. you are in no position to lecture or ridicule me. Tri is a fire science instructor.

Who do you think you are?
 
This is probaby further futility, but...

superlogicalthinker said:
"Or, the forces of the rubble landing on itself in the pile might have had something to do with it. You realize, of course, that nobody on the FEMA site teams managed to recover any steel before it hit the ground and had the rest of the rubble subsequently land on it, do you?"

Ha! Give me break, so a massive steel column, that was only heated to approx 800C, can bend perfectly into a horse shoe with no buckling at all? LMAO! Please explain in detail, like you do.
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You must read the material, encapsulated in previous threads on this very topic. Until you read the material, there is nothing to discuss. You do not know what happened; your posts clearly show that. You must read the material.

If you do not, you risk being told that you are becoming a data point for both Logan's Law and the Dunning-Kruger effect. Please try to avoid this. We've resorted to belittling truthers far too often here (myself included) and have forgotten the Educational mission that is the "E" in "JREF", but that's fully because of responses like yours where the respondant refuses to bring himself up to speed on what's known. Please try to understand what's known before continuing on.
 
superlogicalthinker said:
"Given the correct timeline, none of the reports of explosions support a theory of demolition charges."

Ok.....so you are now admitting there WERE explosions. NIST said nobody heard anything, at all, and thats why they never tested. This means that 118 out of 503 FF that documented seeing and hearing a phenomanon.....are just simply making it up for conversation. LMAO

There are dozens of testimony from people in the buildings who heard and felt explosions, seeing molten steel/metal flowing in the debris pile.

Yet, all of you seem to think it is just a made up story.......who's being illogical here?
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Explolsions=/=explosives. There are dozens of things that go boom in a fire.

You are not being logical, that's for damn sure.
 
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