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I'm aware of all this (though you probably shouldn't conflate "significant" and "statistically significant"). At any rate, for the very reasons you've stated, among others, I expressly omitted to draw inferences from the data. I daresay the "entire field of statistics" would notice this fundamental point, but its ostensible mouthpiece apparently overlooked it.

When talking about the field of statistics, significance means statistical significance. You made lots of noise earlier about the average of other posters being somewhere between one and zero. What was your goal there? If you weren't explicitly making comparisons from the data yourself, you were clearly leading others to do so. Knowingly posting flawed data for others to make inferences from strikes me as somewhat unethical.

If you had no plan to draw any conclusions from this data and didn't intend for others to draw conclusions from the data, why did you post it? Did you think the numbers improved the Feng Shui of this thread? When they are placed beneath a couple kitten photos, I think can feel my chi becoming a bit more aligned.
 
Post repeated in case KK missed it because of the spped at which this thread is progressing.


KuriousKathy said:
Hi Ladewig, You are right I forgot to get back to you on that one. When it comes to the book the Muslims follow I would have to sit down with this person and take the time to pick out the big differences in what they believe and what the Holy Bible teaches. I am not purposely wanting argue their religion verses Christianity, but I would have to tell this person I believe they are being deceived and if they want to have a heart to heart on the difference between what they believe and what I believe I would like to sit down and talk with them. It would be the work of the Holy Sprit to possibly open that persons eyes if possible. I can't say they would ever come to faith in Christ, but I could never rule out the possibility either. Gods timing in each and every persons life, not mine.
I guess I would hope to be someone God could use to reach that person?

Here's the problem Kathy. When asked why anyone should believe the Bible, you replied that

(1) "Once someone comes to faith in Christ and the baptism of the Holy Spirit happens, something happens to make God's Word come alive."
(2) "There are so many applicable lessons in scripture."
(3) "There are things I have seen and expereiced with God that I can honestly say He has shown me He is true to His word."

The catch is that people of many other faiths give those very same responses when they are asked "why should we believe your scriptures."
If your response is identical to their responses, then skeptics really have no reason to put more credence in your holy scriptures than in theirs. So, is there something unique to your religion - some evidence that you could provide to a members of a skeptic board? If not, then I must ask you: why don't you go preach to a more receptive audience than the one you find here.

Dozens of times you have been told that your style pushes us away from Christianity more than it draws us to it. Dozens of times you have been given examples of religious people who post on this board who do not receive the same response than you do. Dozens of times you have been told that skeptics want evidence stronger than "God's Word came alive to me" and "there are many applicable lessons in the Bible." Dozens of times you have been told that playing "Johnny one-note" will produce no positive results. And yet. And yet, you persist in playing the fundamentalist preacher in the worst possible way. Again, I ask, why don't you go find a more receptive audience for your preaching? Surely there are people who want to hear the Word of God presented in the only way you know how to present it. Why don't you go find them instead of wasting your time here?

Many of the posters on this board can quote scripture better than you can. Yet, you feel the need to tell us about the Bible. Here's one for you, Kathy. The parable of the soil and seeds ( Luke 8:4-15) - consider this board to be the path and when you try to plant your seed by preaching, NONE of it takes root and all of it is all trampled underfoot and eaten by birds. If you believe that you must sow the seed of God's Word, then go find fertile ground. Do what the Bible tells you to do. Again, I ask, why don't you go find a more receptive audience for your preaching?

Mature believers in the Word will often seek spiritual guidance from a minister or church elder when they are faced with a difficult problem. Perhaps you should seek advice from someone with more experience in spreading the Gospel. There is a good chance that such a person may ask you, why don't you go find a more receptive audience for your preaching?


And in case you really didn't get the point, why don't you go find a more receptive audience for your preaching?
 
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And because you skipped the other question, I'll ask it again.

Do you still believe that the posters on this board find the Gospel offensive?
 
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If one is solely attempting to demonstrate that several texts can be read together without giving rise to a necessary logical contradiction, then it doesn't matter whether the assumptions are well-founded ones or not, provided that they do not explicitly contradict any proposition contained in the texts and do not otherwise posit an independent logical contradiction.
A proposition like, oh, Jesus’ last words.

And if I recall correctly, I responded to a number of substantive comments in my very next post in the thread in question; please don't suggest otherwise.
You did responded, however you never actually answered them just threw more assertions with no supporting evidence presented at all.

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A proposition like, oh, Jesus’ last words.

"Jesus' last words" isn't a proposition. Please be more explicit than that. If you can find a specific textual assertion in the Gospel that is directly contradicted (in a formal, logical sense) by any of the assumptions or statements in the scenario I outlined, then obviously I was wrong. But can you identify one (not a negative implication - an actual assertion)?


You did responded, however you never actually answered them just threw more assertions with no supporting evidence presented at all.

Supporting evidence for what? I wasn't making an empirical claim, as in one requiring evidence. I didn't say "this is what the Gospel authors were describing" or "the events likely occurred in this particular order". I made that quite clear, didn't I? Rather, I was making a logical claim about a hypothetical scenario. Since I made no factual assertions about how, or even whether, the Crucifixion actually took place, what role do you see for evidence there?


delphi_ote said:
Knowingly posting flawed data for others to make inferences from strikes me as somewhat unethical.

You raise an interesting question. Can data - apart from specifically false or invented data - really be said to be "flawed" except by reference to some specific end (such as supporting an inference) to which they are put? To that extent, isn't it the choice of inference which determines whether the data are flawed (deficient, unreliable, inappropriate, etc.) for that purpose?
 
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awww, ceo_esq doesn't want to play anymore.


I win.

Ps. the answer to your question to delphi_ote is yes, it can be said to be flawed. Your response to him is another example of your willing intellectual dishonesty.
 
I'm not sure what you're going on about CEO_esq. Fine, the example of the last words of a mythical (in my mind) individual are perhaps not the best means of pointing out contradictions. So noted.

There are more substantive contradictions in the bible than those of some paltry last words. These have been detailed by other posters in this thread. I don't see where Kathy has responded to these posted examples with anything other than repeated Alleluias.

If the choice for derailing the thread lies between looking at pictures of kittens or reading progressively snarkier and sillier posts about who's playing nice, please bring on the kittens.
 
If the choice for derailing the thread lies between looking at pictures of kittens or reading progressively snarkier and sillier posts about who's playing nice, please bring on the kittens.

Ask and ye shall receive. . .

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Oh, no. I'm beginning to croon. This is bad. How can I maintain my image as professional while making cootchy-cootchy noises at a pic on screen?
 
Since I am of the International Church of the Puppies...

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Or how about this one:

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Or this one:

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He's a cutie. I like beagles. One more:

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