The Gospel

[Steve]

You've been posting here for all of what, two months? Welcome to the forum.

Is the quantity of one's posts here somehow relevant to the quality of one's comments? Note that I have only been posting here since May, and have made quite a limited number of posts. I need to know if I am required to defer more to persons who have made vast quantities of posts (of unknown quality). Perhaps someone could explain to this new member how this hierarchy actually works - I would hate to offend any "seniors"!
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[Marquis de Carabas]

Is the quantity of one's posts here somehow relevant to the quality of one's comments?

I would say that yes, they are inversely proportional.

 

[pgwenthold]

I would say that yes, they are inversely proportional.

Depends, of course. If someone had spent 15 years frequenting alt.atheism and sci.skeptic and just showed up recently, I would venture they would be far ahead of most posters here in terms of their abilities to contribute.

Do not assume that "new to www.randi.org forums" means "new on to online discussion."

This online discussion stuff has being going since long before the days where the www was popular.

 

[ceo_esq]

Is the quantity of one's posts here somehow relevant to the quality of one's comments?

Possibly, but you are the first in this thread to raise that. I certainly did not offer any opinion on the subject. On the other hand, the amount experience acquired from engaging in discussions here is arguably relevant to an appreciation of the finer points of "what we do here", or perhaps more specifically how we generally do it. Nevertheless, disparities of this sort obviously don't translate into even an informal hierachy, and I hope you didn't infer the contrary from anything I said.

 

[Steve]

You've been posting here for all of what, two months?

Is the quantity of one's posts here somehow relevant to the quality of one's comments?

Possibly, but you are the first in this thread to raise that. I certainly did not offer any opinion on the subject. On the other hand, the amount experience acquired from engaging in discussions here is arguably relevant to an appreciation of the finer points of "what we do here", or perhaps more specifically how we generally do it. Nevertheless, disparities of this sort obviously don't translate into even an informal hierachy, and I hope you didn't infer the contrary from anything I said.

I raised the point in order to understand what was meant, or implied, by your comment to Freakshow. I was obviously not the first to raise the subject in this thread, although my interpolation that posting duration is the same thing as quantity of posts may be inaccurate. Other than the implication that a recent membership in these froums somehow devalues what Freakshow has to offer I see no reason for your comment. And yes, I do generally agree with Freakshow's comments in this thread and I do not have any problems with his manner or style of posting.

Now - back to the topic at hand, "The Gospels".

 

[Ducky]

I raised the point in order to understand what was meant, or implied, by your comment to Freakshow. I was obviously not the first to raise the subject in this thread, although my interpolation that posting duration is the same thing as quantity of posts may be inaccurate. Other than the implication that a recent membership in these froums somehow devalues what Freakshow has to offer I see no reason for your comment. And yes, I do generally agree with Freakshow's comments in this thread and I do not have any problems with his manner or style of posting.

Now - back to the topic at hand, "The Gospels".

Yeah technically he had a problem with my posting style, which is admittedly caustic at times.

However, we all seem to agree so what about those Gospels?

 

[Steve]

However, we all seem to agree so what about those Gospels?

Agreed.

 

[Alex DeLarge]

God is the same yesterday, today, and for eternity.

So, it's still the same genocidal maniac it's always been...
Have you made any animal sacrifices lately? It so enjoys the smell of burning flesh.

Why would you let carnality stand in the way of coming to know your creator?

"Carnality" is standing in the way? Whatever do you mean? I'm also not aware I had a "creator".

Isn't that what a critical thinker does? Trying to see what's wrong in a situation rather than see what's right about it?

Not that I'm aware. I truly have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

The Gospel is right. Jesus died to save us.

That's great. Prove it.

We must come to believe in Him to be saved!

Saved from what? Or should I say "whom"?
I can't believe in "Him" if you refuse to provide evidence for your claims, sorry.

One simple truth saves us and sets us free!!

That's great, but I don't need saving and I'm perfectly free.

Forgiveness is divine

Great! There's no problem then Glad that's sorted.

and He did it all on the cross!

Good for him.

 

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by kurious_kathy
The Gospel is right. Jesus died to save us.

Originally posted by Alex DeLarge
That's great, but I don't need saving and I'm perfectly free.

Let's award the debate to the first one who can prove his or her statement.

 

[kurious_kathy]

“ Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you. ”- Isaiah 46:4

Jesus has made Himself known to me and many others who choose to believe in Him. By drawing closer to Him we get to know Him through His Word! His Spirit dwells in us, if we ask?
It's a gift. Salvation and the ability to believe in the Gospel.
He died so we could live. There is a transforming power when we go to the cross, that opens our eyes.
Jesus is the light of the world and the difference is day and night.
Haven't you ever known anyone that had this experience? We are born again when His Spirit comes within, Spiritually alive!
The proof is all around this world in His people. Lives are changed. Why wouldn't everyone want to be spritually alive?

 

[Ducky]

“ Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you. ”- Isaiah 46:4

Jesus has made Himself known to me and many others who choose to believe in Him. By drawing closer to Him we get to know Him through His Word! His Spirit dwells in us, if we ask?
It's a gift. Salvation and the ability to believe in the Gospel.
He died so we could live. There is a transforming power when we go to the cross, that opens our eyes.
Jesus is the light of the world and the difference is day and night.
Haven't you ever known anyone that had this experience? We are born again when His Spirit comes within, Spiritually alive!
The proof is all around this world in His people. Lives are changed. Why wouldn't everyone want to be spritually alive?

Okay, I have some questions.

How do you quantify his spirit? How exactly do you know what his spirit is?

Now specifically, I would be interested if you would answer the questions zaayrdragon asked of you three times without your response in another thread:

Kathy, let me ask a series of questions, patiently, one at a time, and you answer, to the best of your ability, based on your understanding of the Word.

First: Is God absolutely omniscient? To be precise, does God see, hear, and know absolutely everything there is to be known, past, present, and future? Does God know everything in every person's heart and mind completely? Does God know every choice that every thing will ever make?

Please answer that, and I will present my next question.

The goal, in this case, is to simply attempt to grasp your understanding of the nature of God.

Thanks.

 

[Kimpatsu]

The proof is all around this world in His people.

Where? Show me.

Lives are changed. Why wouldn't everyone want to be spritually alive?

Why would anyone believe this drivel?

 

[Kopji]

"I think it's something you feel in your heart, this pull," she says. "You can't really put it into words. It's like your heart speaking, something you feel inside and you know it's for you. Allah has chosen this for you, it's out of your power."
linky

or there's always Albert Fish
linky

What makes your feelings more valid or true than these other people?

 

[Atlas]

... Why wouldn't everyone want to be spritually alive?

Well, for one thing, it seems to make people stupid, gullible and fearful. Plus, in order to be as happy as you, one must worship God's judgement of eternal torment on most of His creation.

Brainless (but happy) toadyism.

Zaayrdragon's first question is out there. He's asking only one at a time to keep it simple. I've asked you why you don't answer it. Fowlsound offers you another chance.

Will you deny your God a third time? You who are so spiritually alive.

You come here as a stumbling block and do the Devil's work when you make claims that you will not back up. It shows you are a liar. You are a pawn of the Deceiver. And you seek to push us away from Jesus by telling us lies.

Why do you hate us? What have we done to you?

 

[alfaniner]

The proof is all around this world in His people. Lives are changed. Why wouldn't everyone want to be spritually alive?

Yes, the "proof" is there, if you want to call it that. Those guys who killed 3000 people, they believed more strongly than you do. And the combined fervor of those who remain created a hurricane that attacked our country. Therefore, their God is stronger than yours, and you are wrong.

Or, it's all B.S.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Yes, the "proof" is there, if you want to call it that. Those guys who killed 3000 people, they believed more strongly than you do. And the combined fervor of those who remain created a hurricane that attacked our country. Therefore, their God is stronger than yours, and you are wrong.

Or, it's all B.S.

Those false teachers or prophets led many down the wrong road. Jesus is the Messiah and He lives! Anyone who gets your eyes off Him is called a false prophet!
There are many teachings on the end of times and this topic is covered if you would check into it more.

 

[Atlas]

Those false teachers or prophets led many down the wrong road. Jesus is the Messiah and He lives! Anyone who gets your eyes off Him is called a false prophet!
There are many teachings on the end of times and this topic is covered if you would check into it more.

We count you among the false teachers. There are many teachings - sure - there are teachings about phlogiston too. But they are wrong.

Engage your brain. Pick a teaching. Bring it forward and defend it against questions.

A true teacher would. You have not shown yourself to be anything but a false teacher. You shout Look, look, He's over there. And he has many teachings. You are false, sent here by the Deceiver.

 

[Alex DeLarge]

Jesus has made Himself known to me and many others who choose to believe in Him.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster has made Himself known to me and many others who choose to believe in Him.

By drawing closer to Him we get to know Him through His Word! His Spirit dwells in us, if we ask?

Why are you asking me?

It's a gift. Salvation and the ability to believe in the Gospel.

Ok, I guess I'll just have to keep waiting for those "gifts".

He died so we could live.

Why?

There is a transforming power when we go to the cross, that opens our eyes.
Jesus is the light of the world and the difference is day and night.

Why don't you understand that this means nothing to me?

Haven't you ever known anyone that had this experience?

I've known religious fanatics, yes. Becoming one seems as
enticing to me as becoming a drug addict. No, thanks.

We are born again when His Spirit comes within, Spiritually alive!
The proof is all around this world in His people. Lives are changed.

Lives are changed in many other ways too. I don't particularly want my life to change anyway. I'm quite happy with the way it is.

Why wouldn't everyone want to be spritually alive?

How would I know what that means? How can I distinguish it from not being "spritually alive"?

 

[kurious_kathy]

We count you among the false teachers. There are many teachings - sure - there are teachings about phlogiston too. But they are wrong.

Engage your brain. Pick a teaching. Bring it forward and defend it against questions.

A true teacher would. You have not shown yourself to be anything but a false teacher. You shout Look, look, He's over there. And he has many teachings. You are false, sent here by the Deceiver.

Excuse me? I am sharing Jesus and that in no way makes me a false teacher or prophet. I know He lives!

Seems to me there are 2 kinds of people in this world, intellects or social-lites. I relate to people more on an emotional level than many here, but that doesn't make me wrong. And I definately have a brain so stop being so calest! Mean people suck! And this is definately a human statement I just made.

I don't think you understand the meaning of what a false prophet or teacher is. Maybe you could consider that?

 

[TragicMonkey]

Excuse me? I am sharing Jesus and that in no way makes me a false teacher or prophet. I know He lives!

Kathy, do you ever consider that every religion that has ever existed has had believers who knew they were right? That they felt it so strongly they we certain? You are obviously fervent in your faith. So were/are the followers of Osiris. And Baal. And Tammuz. And Freyr, and Tara, and Ishtar, and Kamapua'a, and Ogun, and Shamash, and Huitzilpochi, and Zeus, and Tlaloc, and Mithras, and Shiva.

"Knowing" isn't enough, no matter how strongly you feel about it. Otherwise, we'd have to believe in all the gods that ever were, because they all had people "knowing" they were true.

That's why to convince reasonable people, you need evidence. Not feelings, evidence.