The Gospel

[pgwenthold]

That is definately true. Heaven is a big place, and God has room for everyone. Why would anyone not want to be there?

So you are suggesting there is sadness in heaven? So much for being paradise...

 

[pgwenthold]

I just wish I could show you what he has done for me. You would never deny him! I know he lives and I am so greatful to be turned around from living in darkness. My pagan days are over. That's a good thing.

I wish I could show you what giving up my belief in christianity has done for me. You'd never believe again. I know it's all bull$hit and I am so grateful to have turned around from living in the darkness of delusion. My christian days are over. That's a good thing.

 

[Ducky]

1. Actual research data done by ID "scientists" but we will see them poke at every one else's work.
2. ANY publication in peer reviewed journals, or any work done by ID "scientists" that is peer reviewed by mainstream science.
3. Any explanation why it is needed to inject metaphysics and unflasifiable ideas into science.
4. An argument from the ID side without a logical fallacy, or a misrepresentation of scientific study and evidence.

Still don't see answers to this.

As for the rest, Hawk One said it more eloquently and politely than I would have. I defer to him.

 

[Fengirl]

Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath were awesome! If I am going to get comments on how it is hypocritical for a Christian to attend a heavy metal concert, especially one with Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath, we will have to start a new thread about that.

Nah, Dude. I think you must be confusing us skeptics with someone else. You're confusing us with the kind of people who would moralise and preach at you for enjoying a certain kind of music.

Now, who on earth would do such a mean-spirited and judgemental thing?

Oooh! Looky here: http://www.biblebelievers.com/Rock1.html

 

[kurious_kathy]

I wish I could show you what giving up my belief in christianity has done for me. You'd never believe again. I know it's all bull$hit and I am so grateful to have turned around from living in the darkness of delusion. My christian days are over. That's a good thing.

Then you are rebelling knowingly? Why do you want to be his enemy? That's what broke my heart. Seeing I had made myself his enemy following false doctrines and pursuing pleasure!

 

[pgwenthold]

Then you are rebelling knowingly? Why do you want to be his enemy?

Who's enemy?

 

[kurious_kathy]

Who's enemy?

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. Galatians 6:7

Or do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility towards God? I found that out the hardway myself.

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. Galatians 6:7

I invite you to browse these Fora more completely, and note that God is, in fact, mocked quite often.

Also, you're a heavy favourite already in this year's prestigious 1inChrist Memorial Completely Avoiding Bloody Questions Award.

 

[Piscivore]

God is not mocked;

Bulldoodies. I've been mocking him, his son, his ghost buddy, and the whole extreme fanboy nation built around their bedtime-story adventures for two decades and the impotent fool hasn't done anything about it yet.

Your god is an abusive, insane, sadistic, and bloodthirsty. Good thing he's fictional. You want to be a slave to someone else's ill-conceived character, knock yourself out. It's your life to waste.

 

[Ducky]

Or do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility towards God? I found that out the hardway myself.

This coming from the "open minded."

Tell me again, if you can't have a "friendship with the world," how is this being open minded?



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Are you going to do anything but talk out your rear? You get the "I won't answer questions because I like my comfortable little judgemental world" award.

 

[Bikewer]

"Friendship with the world is hostility to God" ??

Hmmm, I have a small, remote cave that I can rent for very reasonable rates....

 

[pgwenthold]

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. Galatians 6:7

Or do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility towards God? I found that out the hardway myself.

Huh?

I thought I asked a simple question. You said, "Why do you want to be his enemy? " I ask again, who's enemy? Do you mean God? I don't believe God exists, so I don't "want" to do anything about him.

You seem to be arguing from the assumption that God exists. Since I don't share that assumption, your comments about "hostility towards God" are pretty much meaningless. You could just as well say the Easter Bunny in there, and it would be as relevent.

 

[pgwenthold]

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked;

Oh, I think there have been episodes of the Simpsons and Family Guy that have mocked God pretty heavily. I like the Simpsons where Homer goes away on a mission to talk about Jeebus. Or then, there is this quote from Family Guy...

Yeah, and God said unto Abraham, "You must kill your son, Isaac." And Abraham said, "I can't hear you, you'll have to speak into the microphone." And God said, "Oh I'm sorry. Is this better? Check, check, check...Jerry, pull the high-end out, I'm still getting some hiss back here..."

That was pretty mocking funny, if you ask me.

 

[Palimpsest]

I'll leave you with this thought,"One day every knee will bow, every tongue confess, Jesus Christ is Lord!"

That's... actually kind of creepy. I'm suddenly remembering that Simpsons Hallowe'en special where Homer developed a time-travelling toaster and ended up in an alternate present where Ned Flanders ruled the world.

"Hidely-ho, slaverinos!"

"Okely-dokely"

And for the "Negative Nellies", there's always "Re-neducation" or total frontal lobotomies. But they let you keep the piece of brain they cut out, so that's okay.

Out of curiosity, Kathy, how do you think this knee-bowing and tongue-confessing will happen? How will all the heathens and unbelievers be convinced to confess? Will they be sent to re-neducation camps? Or will Jesus himself appear and flip a switch in their brains?

Also: when will this happen? The line comes from Isaiah, which was written, when, around 700 BCE? Xianity is still a minority--and, depending on how many self-described Xians are The Real McCoy, a very small minority indeed.

 

[Palimpsest]

Oh, I think there have been episodes of the Simpsons and Family Guy that have mocked God pretty heavily. I like the Simpsons where Homer goes away on a mission to talk about Jeebus.

And Futurama!

"Sweet Zombie Jesus!"

 

[Piscivore]

God is not mocked;

Is this your God, then?

 

[kurious_kathy]

This coming from the "open minded."

Tell me again, if you can't have a "friendship with the world," how is this being open minded?

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Are you going to do anything but talk out your rear? You get the "I won't answer questions because I like my comfortable little judgemental world" award.

I do have a mind and I too do use it. So please don't insult me. Or are you just enjoying picking on me because I am not only a Christian but female?

As far as openmindness? HMMM I guess I should be more specific. I am no longer a pagan when it comes to my spiritual life. I feel I now have boundaries that are very healthy.
But I am open minded on other aspects of life.

And If you choose to believe I am being judgemental of others, I am sorry. I am not the one judging anyone. I examine my own heart and life daily? It is my own conviction of things that makes me want to share with others.

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

And If you choose to believe I am being judgemental of others, I am sorry. I am not the one judging anyone. I examine my own heart and life daily? It is my own conviction of things that makes me want to share with others.

So share, already. Don't tell us how much you love to share. Share. Don't quote your holy text at us (here's a hint: many of us have already read the bugger). Share. How is your life better for being a Christian? Why do you think our lives would be better were we Christians?

 

[Ducky]

I do have a mind and I too do use it. So please don't insult me. Or are you just enjoying picking on me because I am not only a Christian but female?

As far as openmindness? HMMM I guess I should be more specific. I am no longer a pagan when it comes to my spiritual life. I feel I now have boundaries that are very healthy.
But I am open minded on other aspects of life.

And If you choose to believe I am being judgemental of others, I am sorry. I am not the one judging anyone. I examine my own heart and life daily? It is my own conviction of things that makes me want to share with others.

First off, don't ad hom this by saying I am insulting you because you are a woman and a christian. I have not made any statement as such.

Secondly, YOU said you were open minded, yet you also say you cannot have a freindship with the world, and every other religion but yours is going to hell. That is not open minded, and that is most certainly YOU being judgemental.

Thirdly, you never answered my original question:

When you went off your meds and found God, what was the diagnosis that put you on the meds to begin with.

 

[Antiquehunter]

Then you are rebelling knowingly? Why do you want to be his enemy? That's what broke my heart. Seeing I had made myself his enemy following false doctrines and pursuing pleasure!

Kathy - when a child stops believing in Santa Claus - does this make the child an enemy of Santa? No - because Santa doesn't exist. (Or at least we have no evidence at hand to suggest he does exist.)

The above analogy describes my approach towards your god. I'm delighted for you that you feel somehow more whole believing in your god - although you still haven't shared that bit with us. All this talk about rebellion implies that there is conflict in some way - there is none. I have no desire to 'convert' anyone to my way of thinking, nor do I get a toaster if I make five new atheists. So, your god doesn't need to fear me and consider me an enemy. I'm simply a disinterested party. If your god wants to convert me, he/she/it can knock on my door, give me the winning lotto numbers on a piece of manna for two consecutive weeks, and by golly I'll believe.

-Oke