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The Gospel

kurious_kathy said:
You are missing the point. If God gave Jesus as a gift so all can be redeemed, why not call on the name of the Lord. He hears the ones that call on him and has promised to save us.
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If that was God's plan then he really bungled, didn't he? Not all have been saved. And what do you make of Luke 10:21:

At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.

I can't even imagine the pain he suffered to save us. We won't really know all the why's until we get there. I just want to share him with a world that needs to hear, he died for us. The gospel shouldon't be offensive. Seems it is?
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No. As we keep saying. And as you keep ignoring.
 
fowlsound said:
"I'm being provoked" says the preaching evangalist posting on a skeptic's forum.:rolleyes:
I was actually interested more on the supernaural/ paranormal things people are talking about when I joined. I like to see what other people have to say about their spirituality and interests. Seems lots of people are still seeking out there if you ask me?
I think it is all very interesting. But I am the opposite of a skeptic.
So it bothers you that I'm even on this forum talking to others about my faith?
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kurious_kathy said:
So it bothers you that I'm even on this forum talking to others about my faith?
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I love freedom of speech. However, if you come here trying to preach your gospel, you are going to face questions. It would be nice if you would answer them.

Like:

Do you acknowledge The Buddha could not possibly have "tried to be Christ"?
 
kurious_kathy said:
The New and Old Testament are full of examples. Have you read scripture? Here's a couple examples:
Psalm 11:4-5, says the Lord in His holy temple, the Lords throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.Psalm 18:30-32 says as for God, His way is perfect; The word of the Lord is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him. For who is God, except the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God?It is God who arms me with strength, and makes my way perfect. James 1:17 says every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow turning.
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Um, yeah... care to illustrate how any of those verses apply to what I asked about? In case you forgot, here's the beliefs I asked about; I've taken the liberty of enumerating them...

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1. Jesus was the only man who ever lived that was holy.
2. The sacrifice he made on the cross was the only one acceptable to God to make atonement for the sins of all mankind.
3. He is hoping all come to repent and accept what he did on the cross.
4. It definately is a one on one with God when we reach this level of acceptance.
5. We are all sinners save by grace.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
I love freedom of speech. However, if you come here trying to preach your gospel, you are going to face questions. It would be nice if you would answer them.

Like:

Do you acknowledge The Buddha could not possibly have "tried to be Christ"?
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I was never a Buddhist, I just thought he was a chubby little cute idol that some people might have thought had some kind of supernatural power? I never endevoured into other religions. Just got a little caught up in other new age things.
Why don't you start a new thread on Buddha so I can check outwhat you believe?
I really haven't had a chance to check out other topics because the response to my thread was a bit overwelming. I can't get back to everyone.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I was never a Buddhist, I just thought he was a chubby little cute idol that some people might have thought had some kind of supernatural power? I never endevoured into other religions. Just got a little caught up in other new age things.
Why don't you start a new thread on Buddha so I can check outwhat you believe?
I really haven't had a chance to check out other topics because the response to my thread was a bit overwelming. I can't get back to everyone.
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I have no desire to start another thread. FYI, Buddhists do not believe The Buddha has any supernatural power. They do not worship him as a deity, nor do they pray to him for divine intervention. He was merely a man who learned how to find some peace in this life and taught it to others. A teacher much like Jesus.

How can you claim that all practitioners of other religions will go to hell, when you obviously know nothing about those religions?
 
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I believe the word of God is true. I don't consider myself to be an expert on world religion at all. Did I ever say that? No. I have expressed to you how I have come to believe the gospel is the absolute truth. Jesus came the first time to save the world, so all that believe should be saved.
I also believe the prophetic word of God is true. He is coming a second time to judge the world. If we accept what he did on the cross and repent, he is faithful to forgive us and redeem what was lost.
He is the alpha and the omega. We are all given a chance to believe in him before we die. I don't think it is the religious aspect we should question, rather the condition of our hearts. Are we someone who seeks to know God and chooses to love him back? Or do we want everything our own way? I think that's the test he puts us through in our lives.
 
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Originally posted by kurious_kathy

1. Jesus was the only man who ever lived that was holy.
2. The sacrifice he made on the cross was the only one acceptable to God to make atonement for the sins of all mankind.
3. He is hoping all come to repent and accept what he did on the cross.
4. It definately is a one on one with God when we reach this level of acceptance.
5. We are all sinners save by grace.
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Luke 1:35 The holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Hebrews 1:3 The son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.
John 3:16-18" For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only son.
 
Kathy, stop spouting the legend of Osiris as if it were that of some uppity rabbi called Jesus.
 
kurious_kathy

I think a simple question you might ask yourself is why you have accepted the teachings of Christianity, when you have apparently not looked into the other religions. The majority of the world does not share your beliefs, and by accepting Christianity, you are stating that everybody else is doomed to eternal torture. In most cases this due to something beyond their control, the place of their birth. To my understanding, this is not a view shared by several of the major religions such as Hindu, Buddhism, Confucianism, Baha’i, and others. Are you sure that you chose Christianity, or did you feel God to be real, and gravitated to the closest socially acceptable religion in your area?
 
kurious_kathy said:
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Originally posted by kurious_kathy

1. Jesus was the only man who ever lived that was holy.
2. The sacrifice he made on the cross was the only one acceptable to God to make atonement for the sins of all mankind.
3. He is hoping all come to repent and accept what he did on the cross.
4. It definately is a one on one with God when we reach this level of acceptance.
5. We are all sinners save by grace.
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O. K. at your request, here are some of the scriptures you requested to help clerify those statements.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is a gift from God- not by works so that no one can boast.

Romans 3:25 God presented him as a sacrafice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins unpunished- he did it to demonstrate his justice at present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

Hebrew 10:12-14 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

Luke 1:35 The holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Hebrews 1:3 The son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.

John 3:16-18" For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only son. [/B][/QUOTE]
 
MapMack said:
[ Are you sure that you chose Christianity, or did you feel God to be real, and gravitated to the closest socially acceptable religion in your area? [/B]
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It had nothing to do with going to a church in my local area. It had everything to do with my being open and asking God for truth. I keep saying this but it's true, it's more about a relation-ship with God, not religion. We have a relationship with the Father through the Son. That is the gospel. Why do people pick it apart?
I believe in Jesus. I know he died and rose again and lives in the heart of his people, the ones that believe in him.
Have you ever heard the song Amazing grace?
That's how it feels to be made whole in Christ!
 
Hello everyone,

As you can see by my user name and signature, my thinking and view of life comes from a biblical Christian world view. I signed up to join this conversation, as this is my first post here at JREF Forum.

First off, as I respect each person here and each person’s view of life, I do disagree with the evolutionists idea of the origin of life. To me, the origin of life is the key belief that all other beliefs and values a person holds stem from. If we are a cosmic accident, then there is no morality and absolute truth. If there is a creator, then there is one who has designed life, then life is governed by the truth of the creator.

Christianity is also very different from all other world religions in a very significant way. The gift of eternal life with the Lord in Heaven is just that, a gift. In all other religions, you earn your way into heaven or work at it over and over to achieve nirvana.

I encourage everyone here that has been dialoging with Kathy to seriously consider the wisdom in the bible verses Kathy has been sharing. Although faith is believing in things unseen. In Isaiah 1:18 the Lord says “Come let us reason together”, showing that faith in the Lord God is not a blind faith with no evidence or logic involved. If you approach Christianity with an open heart and a true desire to discern if it is true or not, I think you will discover Jesus is who he said he was.

Although I am not a theologian or a biblical scholar, I am a layman that has studied the word of God for over ten years. In respect I would like to join in with this ongoing discussion.
 
Hi Kimpatsu, in my reading on the subject of evolution vs. creation, I have found quite a few interesting facts that demonstrate evolution as Darwin originally proposed, and other evolutionists have modified, is seriously flawed. It takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as creation in my opinion.

Have you heard of biochemist Michael Behe, Professor of Biochemistry, Department of Biological Sciences, Lehigh University? He has very effectively demonstrated that it is impossible for random chance to create complex biological organisms and processes. He has several books out, one being Darwin’s Black Box. So as you can see, I do not come from a position of ignorance. My reference of Michael Behe is only one of many Ph.D.s and scientists that I can refer to that believe in intelligent design, not evolution. They aren’t even Christians either.
 
Christian Dude said:
Hello everyone,

As you can see by my user name and signature, my thinking and view of life comes from a biblical Christian world view. I signed up to join this conversation, as this is my first post here at JREF Forum.

First off, as I respect each person here and each person’s view of life, I do disagree with the evolutionists idea of the origin of life. To me, the origin of life is the key belief that all other beliefs and values a person holds stem from. If we are a cosmic accident, then there is no morality and absolute truth. If there is a creator, then there is one who has designed life, then life is governed by the truth of the creator.

Christianity is also very different from all other world religions in a very significant way. The gift of eternal life with the Lord in Heaven is just that, a gift. In all other religions, you earn your way into heaven or work at it over and over to achieve nirvana.

I encourage everyone here that has been dialoging with Kathy to seriously consider the wisdom in the bible verses Kathy has been sharing. Although faith is believing in things unseen. In Isaiah 1:18 the Lord says “Come let us reason together”, showing that faith in the Lord God is not a blind faith with no evidence or logic involved. If you approach Christianity with an open heart and a true desire to discern if it is true or not, I think you will discover Jesus is who he said he was.

Although I am not a theologian or a biblical scholar, I am a layman that has studied the word of God for over ten years. In respect I would like to join in with this ongoing discussion.
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Welcome!

And would you be so kind as to point out to us where evolution has anything to do with the origins of life, please.

Also, there are millions of people in the world who subscribe to other "bibles" who are just as sure theirs is the "one and only" right religion, including having heavenly characters starring in them. Would you kindly explain how the christian bible is any different to them. Note the word "different", not "better", "different".
 
Christian Dude said:
Hi Kimpatsu, in my reading on the subject of evolution vs. creation, I have found quite a few interesting facts that demonstrate evolution as Darwin originally proposed, and other evolutionists have modified, is seriously flawed. It takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as creation in my opinion.

Have you heard of biochemist Michael Behe, Professor of Biochemistry, Department of Biological Sciences, Lehigh University? He has very effectively demonstrated that it is impossible for random chance to create complex biological organisms and processes. He has several books out, one being Darwin’s Black Box. So as you can see, I do not come from a position of ignorance. My reference of Michael Behe is only one of many Ph.D.s and scientists that I can refer to that believe in intelligent design, not evolution. They aren’t even Christians either.
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Name one supporter of ID who is NOT a christian.

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Actually, Behe has demonstrated no such thing. He has simply argued for that line, and most unconvincingly outside his own little circle of believers.

Anyway, if Michael Behe is correct and there was indeed a God who made the universe as we know it initially, who made God? And what was there before the he made everything?
 
Christian Dude said:
First off, as I respect each person here and each person’s view of life, I do disagree with the evolutionists idea of the origin of life. To me, the origin of life is the key belief that all other beliefs and values a person holds stem from. If we are a cosmic accident, then there is no morality and absolute truth. If there is a creator, then there is one who has designed life, then life is governed by the truth of the creator.
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Welcome, Dude, to the forum.

Darwinian evolution is NOT about the origin of life. It deals with the question of how life on earth today came to manifest in the many forms that it does. Surely, some have explored how living matter can arise from non-living matter but as far as I know, school is still out on that subject, if for no other reason than "living" turns out to be pretty hard to precisely define.

So, since you cited "evolutionists idea of the origin of life" would you state what you mean by that phrase?

Christian Dude said:
I encourage everyone here that has been dialoging with Kathy to seriously consider the wisdom in the bible verses Kathy has been sharing. Although faith is believing in things unseen. In Isaiah 1:18 the Lord says “Come let us reason together”, showing that faith in the Lord God is not a blind faith with no evidence or logic involved. If you approach Christianity with an open heart and a true desire to discern if it is true or not, I think you will discover Jesus is who he said he was.
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Do you consider "the wisdom in the Bible" to include the story of 42 children being killed because they teased a bald man. Or that it is wise to stone a child to death who disobeys his parents?

Please provide the evidence of the Lord that you reference.

I have often heard and read the need for an "open heart" in order to get Christianity and I just don't understand what it means. From context, it seems to mean to ignore logic, evidence and simple common sense. My heart is an organ that pumps blood through my body. Be specific on how I should "open" it.

Christian Dude said:
Although I am not a theologian or a biblical scholar, I am a layman that has studied the word of God for over ten years. In respect I would like to join in with this ongoing discussion.
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Are you a biblical literalist? Is the bible inerrant in your view? If so, please explain, for example, how god made the sun stand still. If not, please explain how to tell the good stuff from the bad stuff.

You are, of course, welcome, to join in the discussion. Kathy needs some (a lot) help here. She is not good at answering questions and thinks merely citing verses from the bible provides an answer. Many of us here (not all) think the bible has as much veracity as "My Pet Goat" so react very poorly to quotes from it. Jump in and give a hand.
 
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