The Gospel

[Lisa Simpson]

What about Noah? What about Moses? Oh, right, you've only read John 3:16.

I guess that leaves out John, too?

 

[Ryokan]

We are all sinners save by grace. It seems pretty simple to understand and believe to me.

I do understand. Believe in God and Jesus, and you will go to heaven. If not, you go to hell. What kind of love is that? If your parents told you to obey them and they would be nice to you, but if you didnt they would torture you for eternity, would you call that love as well?

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Don't you get it. Jesus was the only man who ever lived that was holy. The sacrifice he made on the cross was the only one acceptable to God to make atonement for the sins of all mankind.
He is hoping all come to repent and accept what he did on the cross. It definately is a one on one with God when we reach this level of acceptance. We are all sinners save by grace. It seems pretty simple to understand and believe to me.

And upon which scriptures, exactly, do you base these beliefs?

 

[Tricky]

It seems pretty simple to understand and believe to me.
"He's not willing that any should perish."

It is quite difficult to understand. Who makes the rules as to who goes to heaven and who does not? God, right? So if He really didn't want any to perish, he would not have set up the rules such that a certain number are bound to perish.

Just as a note of empathy though, I recently spent some times in discussion on some Christian boards. I tried very hard to be nice and play by the rules, but of course, almost everyone there was against me. I was able to convince a few that I sincerely wanted to share my views and that I was not a troll, but I eventually was banned for "wasting bandwidth". I never broke any rules, but I was kicked out anyway. I thing you will find that these skeptic boards are a lot more forgiving. No one here has ever been banned for having the wrong beliefs.

 

[Palimpsest]

Don't you get it. Jesus was the only man who ever lived that was holy. The sacrifice he made on the cross was the only one acceptable to God to make atonement for the sins of all mankind.

Says who? Who made that rule? Was it God himself? Why would he make a rule that would limit his mercy? Come to that, why would he make a place to torture his creatures?

He is hoping all come to repent and accept what he did on the cross. It definately is a one on one with God when we reach this level of acceptance. We are all sinners save by grace. It seems pretty simple to understand and believe to me.
"He's not willing that any should perish."

But it's too late, don't you see that? God cannot be "hoping all come to repent" because hundreds of millions of people (maybe a billion or two, I'm not sure) have already lived and died without meeting a single missionary, without reading a word of your precious Gospel. No matter how zealous you are now, no matter how many people you convert here or whatever other forums you frequent, the simple fact is this: you're too late, and countless people are now screaming in hell because of your loving God's rules.

And anyways (as our esteemed Marquis already pointed out), why is an all-powerful being "hoping"? If he wants something to happen, then it happens.

 

[Ducky]

Intrestingly, Kathy calls "psychobabble" new age and evil, by psychology is listed in her bio under interests.

Ahh the hypocricy.


Edited to change "hobbies" to "interests"

 

[Atlas]

Don't you get it. ... The sacrifice he made on the cross was the only one acceptable to God to make atonement for the sins of all mankind.
... It seems pretty simple to understand and believe to me.

Is it simple enough to explain? What is sin? Who created it? Is it real? What did Jesus' death really accomplish. Why didn't sin disappear? Did anything change? How is murder of your child a sign of love? Should more children be sacrificed to God. Did God send the recent Tsunami that wiped out thousands of children? If we sacrifice some kids ourselves will he keep the tsunamis from hitting us? Why did God do that if Jesus already paid? Are those kids in hell now, even though God is sad about it? Will they suffer eternally because their Mom took them to the beach one day? Is your God easy to love?

Please explain why God created his people and a hell for them when he could just as easily leave them in death and raise those he loves in reward. What is this love in your God that burns the children and ignorant forever? In your own words or scripture. If it's easy to understand I'll be able to catch it.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Intrestingly, Kathy calls "psychobabble" new age and evil, by psychology is listed in her bio under interests.

Ahh the hypocricy.


Edited to change "hobbies" to "interests"

You are just trying to put words in my mouth. I think it's rude!
Anyways those are things I listed that I have an interest in. The term phsyco-babble was said in a slang type not condemning way, unlike the way you choose to communicate. And I never said phsycology was bad, I just think it can't stand on it's own. I would tell others a Christian Counselor would be the best way of mental health support. I believe we are more loving and accepting of others. Non- believers seem to be the ones that have an un-forgiving spirit. Maybe that's why we all need a savior? If we know his forgiveness then we can share it with others. Don't put me down, I am not an un-educated woman. Although I think you could use some enlightenment. Please don't be nausty to me!

 

[Lisa Simpson]

I believe we are more loving and accepting of others. Non- believers seem to be the ones that have an un-forgiving spirit.

I think that's a very prejudiced statement. Especially coming from a 'loving Christian'.

 

[kurious_kathy]

You said, Buddhists etc. are going to hell. That is your judgement, not God's.

Did Buddah believe in Christ? Or was he trying to be Christ? Many people who think they are evolved say Christ is just a great teacher, not who he really is. What do you think?

 

[Donks]

Did Buddah believe in Christ? Or was he trying to be Christ? Many people who think they are evolved say Christ is just a great teacher, not who he really is. What do you think?

So who was he, really? And will this be anything but your opinion?

 

[kurious_kathy]

I think that's a very prejudiced statement. Especially coming from a 'loving Christian'.

I am being provoked by fowlsound. Sorry I will try to not let him bother me. I am still a person who sometimes gets upset, especially when someone is trying to pick on me. Christians are people too. Only God is perfect, I hope we can all remember that!

 

[Ducky]

You are just trying to put words in my mouth. I think it's rude!
Anyways those are things I listed that I have an interest in. The term phsyco-babble was said in a slang type not condemning way, unlike the way you choose to communicate. And I never said phsycology was bad, I just think it can't stand on it's own. I would tell others a Christian Counselor would be the best way of mental health support. I believe we are more loving and accepting of others. Non- believers seem to be the ones that have an un-forgiving spirit. Maybe that's why we all need a savior? If we know his forgiveness then we can share it with others. Don't put me down, I am not an un-educated woman. Although I think you could use some enlightenment. Please don't be nausty to me!

"not an un-educated women"

Apparently english classes discussing double negatives were left out of your cirriculum?


My point being, you have said that all that is needed to heal is God. You've implied that you no longer need anti-depressants because of God. You've stated "psychobabble" was part of new age, and there we'll agree, but you've backtracked to include psychology as something people would need alongside God.

You're talking yourself in circles. And you never answered my question about your diagnosis to warrant being prescribed anti-depressants. What was that diagnosis? Did any Doctor inform you of any risk on going off your meds, such as manic behavior? These are very real things to be concerned about.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

Did Buddah believe in Christ? Or was he trying to be Christ? Many people who think they are evolved say Christ is just a great teacher, not who he really is. What do you think?

He lived and died long before Christ ever existed. It would be very difficult for him to "try to be Christ".

I think Christ if he even lived was nothing more than a teacher and rabble-rouser.

 

[Ducky]

I am being provoked by fowlsound. Sorry I will try to not let him bother me. I am still a person who sometimes gets upset, especially when someone is trying to pick on me. Christians are people too. Only God is perfect, I hope we can all remember that!

"I'm being provoked" says the preaching evangalist posting on a skeptic's forum.


How about you just answer my questions.

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Kathy said:
I believe we are more loving and accepting of others. Non- believers seem to be the ones that have an un-forgiving spirit.

Yeah, because you believe in a God that sentences people to hell if they don't jump through the right hoops. I guess it's unforgivingness by proxy.

~~ Paul

 

[kurious_kathy]

And upon which scriptures, exactly, do you base these beliefs?

The New and Old Testament are full of examples. Have you read scripture? Here's a couple examples:
Psalm 11:4-5, says the Lord in His holy temple, the Lords throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.Psalm 18:30-32 says as for God, His way is perfect; The word of the Lord is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him. For who is God, except the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God?It is God who arms me with strength, and makes my way perfect. James 1:17 says every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow turning.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Yeah, because you believe in a God that sentences people to hell if they don't jump through the right hoops. I guess it's unforgivingness by proxy.

~~ Paul

You are missing the point. If God gave Jesus as a gift so all can be redeemed, why not call on the name of the Lord. He hears the ones that call on him and has promised to save us. None of us deserve to go to heaven. " sinners saved by grace," remember? I think we are blessed if we will believe and receive his gift. I can't even imagine the pain he suffered to save us. We won't really know all the why's until we get there. I just want to share him with a world that needs to hear, he died for us. The gospel shouldon't be offensive. Seems it is?

 

[Lisa Simpson]

The gospel shouldon't be offensive. Seems it is?

Once again, the gospel is not offensive. People who think that everyone should believe the way they do are offensive. Get it?

BTW, are you going to acknowledge that The Buddha was not "trying to be Christ"? In fact, perhaps Jesus was trying to be The Buddha, instead...

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Kathy said:
You are missing the point. If God gave Jesus as a gift so all can be redeemed, why not call on the name of the Lord. He hears the ones that call on him and has promised to save us. None of us deserve to go to heaven. " sinners saved by grace," remember? I think we are blessed if we will believe and receive his gift. I can't even imagine the pain he suffered to save us. We won't really know all the why's until we get there. I just want to share him with a world that needs to hear, he died for us. The gospel shouldon't be offensive. Seems it is?

You can describe it any way you like, but God's forgiveness is conditional. That's a strange way to be forgiving, don't you think? And the people who go around preaching that others will go to hell if they don't believe are leeching off this conditional forgiveness in the most grotesque way.

Why did God arrange for us to have eternal sin for which we cannot atone? Sounds pretty offensive to me.

~~ Paul