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But from what Van Lommel has seen, near-death experiences are not at all limited to members of the “spiritual” community. They are just as prevalent among people who were extremely skeptical about the topic beforehand.
The body I observed laying in bed was mine, but I knew it wasn’t time to leave. My time on earth wasn’t up yet; there was still a purpose.
In order to convince his colleagues of the validity of these new insights, Van Lommel first had to demonstrate that this expansion of the consciousness occurred, in fact, during the period of brain death. It was not difficult to prove. Patients were often able to describe precisely what had happened during their cardiac arrest. They knew, for example, exactly where the nurse put their dentures or what doctors and family members had said. How would someone whose brain wasn’t active know these things?
Nevertheless, some scientists continue to assert that these experiences must happen at a time when there is still some brain function going on. Van Lommel is crystal clear in his response: “When the heart stops beating, blood flow stops within a second. Then, 6.5 seconds later, EEG activity starts to change due to the shortage of oxygen. After 15 seconds there is a straight, flat line and the electrical activity in the cerebral cortex has disappeared completely. We cannot measure the brain stem, but testing on animals has demonstrated that activity has ceased there as well. Moreover, you can prove that the brain stem is no longer functioning because it regulates our basic reflexes, such as the pupil response and swallowing reflex, which no longer respond. So you can easily stick a tube down someone’s throat. The respiratory center also shuts down. If the individual is not reanimated within five to 10 minutes, their brain cells are irreversibly damaged.” He is aware that his findings on consciousness fly in face of orthodox scientific thinking. It is remarkable that an authoritative science journal like The Lancet was willing to publish his article
http://odemagazine.com/article.php?aID=4207
The body I observed laying in bed was mine, but I knew it wasn’t time to leave. My time on earth wasn’t up yet; there was still a purpose.
In order to convince his colleagues of the validity of these new insights, Van Lommel first had to demonstrate that this expansion of the consciousness occurred, in fact, during the period of brain death. It was not difficult to prove. Patients were often able to describe precisely what had happened during their cardiac arrest. They knew, for example, exactly where the nurse put their dentures or what doctors and family members had said. How would someone whose brain wasn’t active know these things?
Nevertheless, some scientists continue to assert that these experiences must happen at a time when there is still some brain function going on. Van Lommel is crystal clear in his response: “When the heart stops beating, blood flow stops within a second. Then, 6.5 seconds later, EEG activity starts to change due to the shortage of oxygen. After 15 seconds there is a straight, flat line and the electrical activity in the cerebral cortex has disappeared completely. We cannot measure the brain stem, but testing on animals has demonstrated that activity has ceased there as well. Moreover, you can prove that the brain stem is no longer functioning because it regulates our basic reflexes, such as the pupil response and swallowing reflex, which no longer respond. So you can easily stick a tube down someone’s throat. The respiratory center also shuts down. If the individual is not reanimated within five to 10 minutes, their brain cells are irreversibly damaged.” He is aware that his findings on consciousness fly in face of orthodox scientific thinking. It is remarkable that an authoritative science journal like The Lancet was willing to publish his article
http://odemagazine.com/article.php?aID=4207
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[Note: This list of Einstein quotes was being forwarded around the Internet in e-mail, so I decided to put it on my web page. I'm afraid I can't vouch for its authenticity, tell you where it came from, who compiled the list, who Kevin Harris is, or anything like that. Still, the quotes are interesting and enlightening.]
Collected Quotes from Albert Einstein
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
"Gravitation is not responsible for people falling in love."
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
"The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax."
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
"The only real valuable thing is intuition."
"A person starts to live when he can live outside himself."
"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
"God is subtle but he is not malicious."
"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."
"I never think of the future. It comes soon enough."
"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."
"Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing."
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."
"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
"Science is a wonderful thing if one does not have to earn one's living at it."
"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."
"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."
"The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking."
"Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal."
"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
"The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible."
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing."
"Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater."
"Equations are more important to me, because politics is for the present, but an equation is something for eternity."
"If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut."
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
"In order to form an immaculate member of a flock of sheep one must, above all, be a sheep."
"The fear of death is the most unjustified of all fears, for there's no risk of accident for someone who's dead."
"Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves."
"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!"
"No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?"
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
"Yes, we have to divide up our time like that, between our politics and our equations. But to me our equations are far more important, for politics are only a matter of present concern. A mathematical equation stands forever."
"The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."
"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
"You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat."
"One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the examinations, whether one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on me that, after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration of any scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year."
"...one of the strongest motives that lead men to art and science is escape from everyday life with its painful crudity and hopeless dreariness, from the fetters of one's own ever-shifting desires. A finely tempered nature longs to escape from the personal life into the world of objective perception and thought."
"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)
Copyright: Kevin Harris 1995 (may be freely distributed with this acknowledgement)
http://www.skepticfiles.org/atheist/eindoc.htm
What were Albert Einstein's religious beliefs? That is an interesting question because he used the word "God" a lot. As Carl Sagan so truly points out (check _Broca's Brain_), whether or not one believes in "God" depends on what one means by the word "God." When that question was put to him, Einstein once responded, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony in what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." Spinoza was a Dutch philosopher in the 1600's(?) who used the word "God" to denote some mystical cosmic unity, and who talked endlessly about the "intellectual love of God." However, he was excommunicated by the Jewish community in Holland, who placed on him the curses that Elisha placed on the children who teased him about his baldness. We are told that 42 of these children were killed by two bears. However, no bears attacked Spinoza. He was branded an atheist for the next couple centuries to come. However, in the nineteenth century, some of his admirers started calling him the "God-intoxicated man" Back to Einstein. He wrote an article for the _New York Times_ expounding his religious beliefs (reprinted in _Ideas and Opinions_). He spoke of himself as having a "cosmic religious sense," which knows "no dogmas and no God made in man's image," which he said was shared with the great mystics; he compared himself with the likes of Democritus, St. Francis, and Spinoza. He also commented that one must have a poor moral sense if the only way one could act virtuously is if one expect rewards and punishments after death.
This last part he has wrong Einstin also does not have the creators knowlage, not all of it.
Collected Quotes from Albert Einstein
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
"Gravitation is not responsible for people falling in love."
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
"The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax."
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
"The only real valuable thing is intuition."
"A person starts to live when he can live outside himself."
"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
"God is subtle but he is not malicious."
"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."
"I never think of the future. It comes soon enough."
"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."
"Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing."
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."
"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
"Science is a wonderful thing if one does not have to earn one's living at it."
"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."
"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."
"The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking."
"Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal."
"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
"The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible."
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing."
"Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater."
"Equations are more important to me, because politics is for the present, but an equation is something for eternity."
"If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut."
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
"In order to form an immaculate member of a flock of sheep one must, above all, be a sheep."
"The fear of death is the most unjustified of all fears, for there's no risk of accident for someone who's dead."
"Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves."
"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!"
"No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?"
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
"Yes, we have to divide up our time like that, between our politics and our equations. But to me our equations are far more important, for politics are only a matter of present concern. A mathematical equation stands forever."
"The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."
"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
"You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat."
"One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the examinations, whether one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on me that, after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration of any scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year."
"...one of the strongest motives that lead men to art and science is escape from everyday life with its painful crudity and hopeless dreariness, from the fetters of one's own ever-shifting desires. A finely tempered nature longs to escape from the personal life into the world of objective perception and thought."
"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)
Copyright: Kevin Harris 1995 (may be freely distributed with this acknowledgement)
http://www.skepticfiles.org/atheist/eindoc.htm
What were Albert Einstein's religious beliefs? That is an interesting question because he used the word "God" a lot. As Carl Sagan so truly points out (check _Broca's Brain_), whether or not one believes in "God" depends on what one means by the word "God." When that question was put to him, Einstein once responded, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony in what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." Spinoza was a Dutch philosopher in the 1600's(?) who used the word "God" to denote some mystical cosmic unity, and who talked endlessly about the "intellectual love of God." However, he was excommunicated by the Jewish community in Holland, who placed on him the curses that Elisha placed on the children who teased him about his baldness. We are told that 42 of these children were killed by two bears. However, no bears attacked Spinoza. He was branded an atheist for the next couple centuries to come. However, in the nineteenth century, some of his admirers started calling him the "God-intoxicated man" Back to Einstein. He wrote an article for the _New York Times_ expounding his religious beliefs (reprinted in _Ideas and Opinions_). He spoke of himself as having a "cosmic religious sense," which knows "no dogmas and no God made in man's image," which he said was shared with the great mystics; he compared himself with the likes of Democritus, St. Francis, and Spinoza. He also commented that one must have a poor moral sense if the only way one could act virtuously is if one expect rewards and punishments after death.
This last part he has wrong Einstin also does not have the creators knowlage, not all of it.
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LEADING GENETICIST DEAN HAMER CRACKS THE “CODE” BEHIND WHY WE ARE PREDISPOSED TO BELIEVE IN GOD. IN A BOOK THAT BRIDGES THE GAP BETWEEN RELIGION AND SCIENCE, HAMER BRILLIANTLY ILLUMINATES HOW OUR INCLINATION TOWARD FAITH IS INFLUENCED BY OUR GENES.
The overwhelming majority of Americans believe in God, expressing a conviction that has existed since the beginning of recorded time and is shared by billions around the world. In The God Gene, Dr. Dean Hamer reveals that this inclination toward religious faith is no accident; it is in good measure due to our genes. In fact, he argues, spiritual belief may offer an evolutionary advantage by providing humans with a sense of purpose and the courage and will to overcome hardship and loss. And, as a growing body of evidence suggests, belief also increases our chances of reproductive survival by helping to reduce stress, prevent disease, and extend life.
Hamer shows that new discoveries in behavioral genetics and neurobiology indicate that humans inherit a set of predispositions that make their brains ready and eager to embrace a higher power. By analyzing the genetic makeup of over a thousand people of different ages and backgrounds, and comparing their DNA samples against a scale that measures spirituality, Hamer actually identified a specific “God gene” that appears to influence spirituality.
Popular science at its best, The God Gene is an in-depth, fully accessible inquiry into the cutting-edge research that is changing the way we think about ourselves, our world, and our culture. Written with balance and integrity, without seeking to confirm or deny the existence of God, The God Gene brilliantly illuminates the mechanism by which belief itself is biologically fostered. It’s a book that bridges the gap between science and religion, and one that will appeal to the readers of Genesis and Genome alike.
If you want to get access to the book,
http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780307276933
Here is an excerpt,
You guys are so easy!
What You expect, everybody here to have the same beliefs?
This would just be another stroking party.
If I weren’t here you would be bored and if you weren’t here I would be bored.
You guys break down when ever you're proved wrong. That’s what really pisses you off.
I am doing this to keep from getting cabin fever, what you don’t know is that I’m seeing if it’s all-true.
To reaffirm my beliefs, to see if you can get me over on that side again, so far you haven’t.
What I’m finding out is, that it’s strengthening my beliefs.
I find his concepts interesting, parallels my own.
Neil Donald Walsh
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/2231.htm
Here are a few responses to the way Walsh portrays the God of the Bible:
1. "Organized religion" forces people to live according to the rules of the power structure or face dire consequences; critical thinking is discouraged.
Response: The Apostle Paul appealed to the minds of his listeners. In Acts 18:19, for example it says he "reasoned with the Jews." When he presented the gospel Paul offered reasons to believe. In 1 Peter 3:15, every Christian is expected to be willing and ready to answer his or her critics. In Isaiah 40-44, God claims that unlike other God's, he is able to offer evidence (predictive prophecy) that he is the true God.
2. The God of the Bible has no idea how hard life is, and what is worse, he doesn't even care.
Response: The biblical God is aware of the pain humans face in day-to-day life and has suffered so that we can have real life.
"Since then the children share in flesh and blood, He (Jesus) Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil; and might deliver those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives." - Hebrews 2:14,15
The overwhelming majority of Americans believe in God, expressing a conviction that has existed since the beginning of recorded time and is shared by billions around the world. In The God Gene, Dr. Dean Hamer reveals that this inclination toward religious faith is no accident; it is in good measure due to our genes. In fact, he argues, spiritual belief may offer an evolutionary advantage by providing humans with a sense of purpose and the courage and will to overcome hardship and loss. And, as a growing body of evidence suggests, belief also increases our chances of reproductive survival by helping to reduce stress, prevent disease, and extend life.
Hamer shows that new discoveries in behavioral genetics and neurobiology indicate that humans inherit a set of predispositions that make their brains ready and eager to embrace a higher power. By analyzing the genetic makeup of over a thousand people of different ages and backgrounds, and comparing their DNA samples against a scale that measures spirituality, Hamer actually identified a specific “God gene” that appears to influence spirituality.
Popular science at its best, The God Gene is an in-depth, fully accessible inquiry into the cutting-edge research that is changing the way we think about ourselves, our world, and our culture. Written with balance and integrity, without seeking to confirm or deny the existence of God, The God Gene brilliantly illuminates the mechanism by which belief itself is biologically fostered. It’s a book that bridges the gap between science and religion, and one that will appeal to the readers of Genesis and Genome alike.
If you want to get access to the book,
http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780307276933
Here is an excerpt,
You guys are so easy!
What You expect, everybody here to have the same beliefs?
This would just be another stroking party.
If I weren’t here you would be bored and if you weren’t here I would be bored.
You guys break down when ever you're proved wrong. That’s what really pisses you off.
I am doing this to keep from getting cabin fever, what you don’t know is that I’m seeing if it’s all-true.
To reaffirm my beliefs, to see if you can get me over on that side again, so far you haven’t.
What I’m finding out is, that it’s strengthening my beliefs.
I find his concepts interesting, parallels my own.
Neil Donald Walsh
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/2231.htm
Here are a few responses to the way Walsh portrays the God of the Bible:
1. "Organized religion" forces people to live according to the rules of the power structure or face dire consequences; critical thinking is discouraged.
Response: The Apostle Paul appealed to the minds of his listeners. In Acts 18:19, for example it says he "reasoned with the Jews." When he presented the gospel Paul offered reasons to believe. In 1 Peter 3:15, every Christian is expected to be willing and ready to answer his or her critics. In Isaiah 40-44, God claims that unlike other God's, he is able to offer evidence (predictive prophecy) that he is the true God.
2. The God of the Bible has no idea how hard life is, and what is worse, he doesn't even care.
Response: The biblical God is aware of the pain humans face in day-to-day life and has suffered so that we can have real life.
"Since then the children share in flesh and blood, He (Jesus) Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil; and might deliver those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives." - Hebrews 2:14,15
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http://www.ldolphin.org/update.html
Any thing you want to know go to Dolphins, library the link should be on This page.
There are hundreds of writings and a section on science and god.
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Wow. Apparently someone likes the sound of their own voice (figurately speaking, of course.)
Not my voice.
God gets tired of the pseudo skeptical type.
The bible describes your type.
Before I give you a link to a very interesting site.
2 Thes 2:9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie ...
Matthew 24:24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; in so much that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The Old Testament is the old covenant but the Ten Commandments still stand. Most of the rules there apply to the old Jewish or Hebrew people. Then there is the New Testament, which applies for us today.
It is the new covenant between God and Man.
God gets tired of the pseudo skeptical type.
The bible describes your type.
Before I give you a link to a very interesting site.
2 Thes 2:9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie ...
Matthew 24:24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; in so much that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The Old Testament is the old covenant but the Ten Commandments still stand. Most of the rules there apply to the old Jewish or Hebrew people. Then there is the New Testament, which applies for us today.
It is the new covenant between God and Man.
http://www.rbc.org/rtb/
Go to this page and read it all 100 + reasons.
You may not get it till the day you are on your death bed.
Don’t try with your mind but with your heart.
If you can’t read your heart you are being fooled.
This one is for you because I think you read not .
4 A Place In The Heart
The human heart hungers for more than this life offers. Each of us experiences what King Solomon called "eternity in [our] hearts" (Ecclesiastes 3:11). While it is difficult to know what Solomon meant, it is apparent that he was referring to an inescapable longing for something this world cannot satisfy. It was an emptiness of soul that Solomon could not escape. For a while, he tried to fill this inner void with work, alcohol, and laughter. He tried to satisfy his longings with philosophy, music, and sexual relationships. But his disillusionment grew. Only when he returned to his confidence in a final judgment and afterlife could he find something large enough to satisfy his longing for significance (Ecclesiastes 12:14).
You are right about the new covenant, but the Messiah was predicted in the Old Testament.
And like I said the 10 commandments still stand but all the rules other than that were to see if the Hebrews could be totally gods’ people.
The Jewish people have to ask for and believe that Jesus was the messiah, and ask for his return to the city of Jerusalem.
This must occur before he will come here a second time.
One of the signs is that the city will be surrounded by all of her enemies then they will ask and believe.
It’s going to be wild.
Gods word will stand for thousands of years, not just 2000.
Paul if you read those ten, you have 90 more to look at.
What do you feel at Christmas?
Is it all about commercialism?
Does it disgust you or do you just go with the flow?
My heart feels joy, and it’s not about gifts.
The only gift is about the birth of Christ.
The rest is pagan practices but to not tell your children what it is really all about, and to leave the real reason out is unthinkable..
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Ho hum...
If you ask me, you already have cabin fever.
Actually, didn't take that long - once I sifted it through my BS filter, I found very little substance.
[Troy]
You're banned for wasting my time.
[/Troy]
If you ask me, you already have cabin fever.
Actually, didn't take that long - once I sifted it through my BS filter, I found very little substance.
[Troy]
You're banned for wasting my time.
[/Troy]
Roadtoad
Bufo Caminus Inedibilis
Great. Another one.
You know, Edge, you are displaying the same hate and slop as Kathy is.
One more time: NOT ALL OF US HERE ARE ATHEISTS!!! THERE ARE MANY CHRISTIANS HERE WHO OBJECT TO KATHY'S HATRED, AND YOURS, TOO!!!
You, sir, are not a skeptic. If you were, you would have read some of what others have posted, including Kathy, who said that it was God's way of drawing Fowlsound closer to Him by giving Fowl cancer. That was cruel, it's unscriptural, it's vicious, and it's wrong.
And, so it would seem, are you.
You know, Edge, you are displaying the same hate and slop as Kathy is.
One more time: NOT ALL OF US HERE ARE ATHEISTS!!! THERE ARE MANY CHRISTIANS HERE WHO OBJECT TO KATHY'S HATRED, AND YOURS, TOO!!!
You, sir, are not a skeptic. If you were, you would have read some of what others have posted, including Kathy, who said that it was God's way of drawing Fowlsound closer to Him by giving Fowl cancer. That was cruel, it's unscriptural, it's vicious, and it's wrong.
And, so it would seem, are you.
slingblade
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Not a guy.
Not a man. Not lost. Not going anywhere.
God's not real.
God's not real.
I try very hard not to deliberately seek abuse. Why would I want to voluntarily go back to being abused? I'm perfectly fine and happy as I am.
Speaking only for myself: no, it would not change a thing.
Randi seeing God a million times would not enable me to see God once, as God is not real.
No more evil than you are.
Finally, something you said makes sense. This is true: once you die, you're dead.
Tricky
Briefly immortal
Edge, when did you go from being a failed dowser to a failed Christian apologist? I'm not going to wade through that ton of bilge you spammed the forum with (in fact, I've reported you), but it is clear that you can no more defend your religious position than you have been able to defend your dowsing position. The last thing Kathy needs is a certified UFO-chasing, gold-dowsing, undereducated person like you to defend her. With friends like you...
Elind
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I think you were just critiquing my sentence structure, not commenting on the post. I think the question was clear enough to most people, even though you might very well be able to phrase it better.
I'm not looking for a fight with you, I just think this is a waste of time.
Have I answered you now, so we can move on?
Elind
Philosopher
Haven't you noticed him before? The evil twin of 1inC, and way to long winded to even pay attention to.
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delphi_ote
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Yea, but I hadn't seen this sudden mid-thread spamming behavior.