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The Genesis Seal

Of all the posts handling Hans' grid, that one was the closest to dealing with your objections re symmetry and interpretation.

And you chose to tut tut it?
Donn,
You are right to be miffed. I have gone back to Hans' matrix and identified the same six words you cite. I especially like the 'I Remap' in the diagonal. Not unlike the 'Behold, a river' in the vertical diagonal of the Genesis Seal (G1 view). Of course, a major difference is that after the G1 to G2 transformation, the slightly modified arrangement did reveal three rivers that correspond to most of Genesis 2:10-14. One of them (3-letter Hebrew word for Euphrates) had become a diagonal in the same 3x3 group that had previously contained 'earth', 'fruit' and 'for a root'. In other words the 'garden eastward in Eden'. The Genesis Seal is, therefore, consistent with Genesis 2:10, which talks about 'a river...to water the garden'. My point is, that the same source text, in a consistent format, relates directly to specific biblical narratives. And it does so in a multitude of ways that invariably hug the same concise zones (mainly 3x3) in all its square aspects.
 
My point is, that the same source text, in a consistent format, relates directly to specific biblical narratives. And it does so in a multitude of ways that invariably hug the same concise zones (mainly 3x3) in all its square aspects.

However, the MRC Secret Seal (tm) relates specifically to his narrative. It does so in a multitude of ways that reveal deeper and deeper truths the closer you look.

That is impressive in so small a text box.

In addition the MRC Secret Seal (tm) has a depth of information and knowledge that the Genesis seal simply can't match.


Look at the letters that form the four edges of the Seal. They spell out ... diio.


Look at this... http://www.linkedin.com/company/diio-llc

Diio specializes in projects taking massive amounts of data in, processing and refining that data, and producing highly pertinent, easily actionable information out.


OMG... a seal whose purpose it was to demonstrate that even random letters can form patterns links DIRECTLY to a company that does the EXACT SAME THING.

(caps are a must for religious revelations).

Again I acclaim the MRC Secret Seal (tm) to be the most awesome revelation in the history of the Multiverse.
 
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Hans said:
Excuse me, but were you the one talking about respectfulness? I just spent several hours designing and executing a test to try out your hypothesis.

I am awaiting your serious comment.

Respectfully, Hans

I hope I've put that first part right with my post#581.
I also do appreciate you active input. You have been more pragmatic than most on this thread. But what do you thing of the comparison I have just made between Donn's selection of emergent words from your random matrix and my single example from the Genesis Seal?

NB. I should have made reference to Figure 3 in post #136 and Figure 4 in post #288.
 
But what do you thing of the comparison I have just made between Donn's selection of emergent words from your random matrix and my single example from the Genesis Seal?

I think many of us are more interested in your opinion of the deep truths revealed in the MRC Secret Seal (tm).

Look at the second line, reversed. I rain lac. Lac is lake in French.

Well, you might think it's just meaningless and random. Well.. is it really?

Look at the same line but forward and the emergent word CALNI.

CALNI is an incinerator that people are trying to shut down in Lough Neagh, Ireland.

http://stopthemoyparkincinerator.com/?page_id=2

What is the connection you ask...

Lough Neagh, sometimes Loch Neagh,[2] (/ˌlɒx ˈneɪ/) is a large freshwater lake in Northern Ireland. Its name comes from Irish: Loch nEathach, meaning "Lake of Eathach" (Irish: [ɫ̪ɔx ˈn̠ʲahax]).[3]



It's a LAKE!


WOW... Just WOW.
 
I hope I've put that first part right with my post#581.
I also do appreciate you active input. You have been more pragmatic than most on this thread. But what do you thing of the comparison I have just made between Donn's selection of emergent words from your random matrix and my single example from the Genesis Seal?

NB. I should have made reference to Figure 3 in post #136 and Figure 4 in post #288.

I observe that my random matrix yields about ten times as many significant sequences as your 'Genesis Seal', in the form English words alone. Don't even get me started on Internet lingo, common abbreviations, 'interesting' patterns, German, Danish, and even Chinese words.

I'm not strong on scripture, but I bet you it is possible to locate at least as many Bible bible references as in yours.

Not only that, but I have now tried a few more randomizations of the string, and I can inform you that the first one is far from a fluke. In fact, it appears pretty average.

I have not proved you wrong (your thesis is not falsifiable), but I have clearly proved that there is nothing out of the ordinary in your 'genesis seal.

As I have already explained, alphabetic writing systems are specifically designed to enable a small selection of signs to form a large number of words. It follows mathematically that a series of random signs (letters) has a high probability of forming words

Hans
 
Hans, what would you say to KF's constant refrain about symmetry and shapes?
I regret I did not follow his posts very well, the Hebrew made it tough, but there's some notion of repeating shapes that he then finds meaningful words within.
I get the impression that his matrix can change in size, but those shapes/positions always yield something.

(I'd hate to leave him thinking we were fighting a windmill over here while he was pointing to the dragon over there.)
 
As I have already explained, alphabetic writing systems are specifically designed to enable a small selection of signs to form a large number of words. It follows mathematically that a series of random signs (letters) has a high probability of forming words

That pretty well sums up the whole thing correctly.

BTW... I still believe in the sanctity of the MRC Secret Seal and always will.
 
Hans, what would you say to KF's constant refrain about symmetry and shapes?
I regret I did not follow his posts very well, the Hebrew made it tough, but there's some notion of repeating shapes that he then finds meaningful words within.
I get the impression that his matrix can change in size, but those shapes/positions always yield something.

(I'd hate to leave him thinking we were fighting a windmill over here while he was pointing to the dragon over there.)

Of all the themes of my posts, this is the one I expect to be addressed directly in any criticism. Another is the possibility (regardless of whether we agree the Genesis Seal's cryptic content is the result of deliberate design) that it has been recognised as such in the past, and may have influenced historical movers and shakers. I can cite the mediaeval Catholic Church who would have been horrified that the Seal might be taken seriously, though not for scientific reasons.
 
Of course I accept that for the more discerning posters on this thread some suitable testing would be needed before accepting my hypothesis. In fact, by using the word hypothesis, I am placing myself in the way of critical thought. But any sane person must agree that much of the dross that has been aimed at me falls well short of the scientific definition of 'critical'. I am presently working on some 'control' data sets, just six from the Hebrew up to now. I am doing my best to read into them as creatively as possible since the idea, as I understand it, is to show that the Genesis Seal is no more unusual than should be expected. Up to now, I have chosen two sets of three 28-letter verses from the Hebrew Torah. In one set, all the full-verse Gematria totals have a distinctive geometrical characteristic. The others have no such attributes. But I am putting them all through the same process. I can declare already that I am finding some structure that some observers could interpret as 'organised', but up to now nothing like the quantity and organisation I have presented for the Genesis Seal. I think I am being objectively creative, or at least I'm doing my best to be.
When the time comes, I will need to know whether the more serious posters on this thread would like to see the results and, if so, how will I do that? Alternatively, I can make the pre-analysis data available for others to test alongside my own efforts.


You are woo. You are not a critical thinker. You are not a skeptic.

Your process is horribly subjective and wish fulfilling.

You are not, and will never be, competent to evaluate your ideas critically.

Drop this garbage and take up something that is at least entertaining.
 
Of course I accept that for the more discerning posters on this thread some suitable testing would be needed before accepting my hypothesis. In fact, by using the word hypothesis, I am placing myself in the way of critical thought. But any sane person must agree that much of the dross that has been aimed at me falls well short of the scientific definition of 'critical'. I am presently working on some 'control' data sets, just six from the Hebrew up to now. I am doing my best to read into them as creatively as possible since the idea, as I understand it, is to show that the Genesis Seal is no more unusual than should be expected. Up to now, I have chosen two sets of three 28-letter verses from the Hebrew Torah. In one set, all the full-verse Gematria totals have a distinctive geometrical characteristic. The others have no such attributes. But I am putting them all through the same process. I can declare already that I am finding some structure that some observers could interpret as 'organised', but up to now nothing like the quantity and organisation I have presented for the Genesis Seal. I think I am being objectively creative, or at least I'm doing my best to be.


The problem is, it is not sufficient to merely attempt, on the alternative grids, the same processes that "worked" (produced interesting-looking results) on your Genesis Seal. Because you selected those processes, out of a potentially enormous space of possible processes, specifically because they worked on the Genesis Seal.

Say you find a 16-ounce can of Hanover pinto beans in your local supermarket. You hypothesize that such cans are extremely rare. To test that hypothesis, you choose a dozen other supermarkets and look for cans in the exact same shelf location within the store as the ones you found back home. You don't find any 16-ounce cans of Hanover pinto beans in any of those spots, although one of them does have 16-ounce bags of dried store brand kidney beans there. Would you be correct in concluding that your initial hypothesis, that 16-ounce cans of Hanover pinto beans are extremely rare, has been confirmed? That's the error you risk making here. You aren't searching nearly as large a space in your control tests.

It's not sufficient to only try what worked before. You must try all the possibilities you tried before. Since you've been working on the Seal for years, that's not going to be easy, nor is it going to be easy (or likely to happen) for any of us to spend years finding an equal amount of stuff in some other control grid. But the direct initial comparisons that can be made are looking good for our null hypothesis. The sheer number of words does seem to be larger in the MRC Secret Seal, and the complete meaningful instructional sentence I found (joining with other relevant words in a prominent symmetrical pattern) without any further manipulation of the grid has comparable if not superior aesthetic qualities and apparent improbability to anything you found in the Genesis Seal prior to any of your additional manipulations of it.

Don't compare that to how much "content" you ultimately found in the Genesis Seal, using all sorts of processes and interpretations (patterns of distributions of specific letters, patterns of types of letters, words found in non-linear paths or clusters or "geometric" arrangements of letters, further rearrangement of the grid, numeric values such as binary powers that are only significant to modern culture, anything that can be construed as a reference to any part of the Torah), after searching and fiddling with it for years. Instead, compare it to how much you found in the Genesis Seal, in just the original arrangement (which is most likely just one of multiple arrangements you tried, starting out) in the first ten minutes you looked at it, because that's about how long I spent.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
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You are woo. You are not a critical thinker. You are not a skeptic.

Your process is horribly subjective and wish fulfilling.

You are not, and will never be, competent to evaluate your ideas critically.

Drop this garbage and take up something that is at least entertaining.

MRC_Hans has said: I have not proved you wrong (your thesis is not falsifiable), but I have clearly proved that there is nothing out of the ordinary in your 'genesis seal. But his random 8x8 matrix (and its kin) is at least a fair attempt demonstrate the The Genesis Seal is not out of the ordinary. I can accept Hans' method as propably being mor realistic than my ongoing examination of Torah-related control sets.

However, my process is not 'horribly subjective and wish fulfilling', as you put it. Hans' proposed control matrix might reveal a good few valid emergent words, but they are not validated by being organised in related sets in the same concise way that is demonstrated by the Genesis Seal. All attempts at side-stepping this vital fact are being just as selective as in Confirmation Bias.
 
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Of all the themes of my posts, this is the one I expect to be addressed directly in any criticism. Another is the possibility (regardless of whether we agree the Genesis Seal's cryptic content is the result of deliberate design) that it has been recognised as such in the past, and may have influenced historical movers and shakers. I can cite the mediaeval Catholic Church who would have been horrified that the Seal might be taken seriously, though not for scientific reasons.

How could it have been taken seriously back then? You made it up.
 
that it has been recognised as such in the past, and may have influenced historical movers and shakers.

This you absolutely need to prove.

I'm a historian, my specialty is the middle ages (where the bible was the center of numerous wacky theories), and I've even done a study of medieval alchemy... and I've never heard of the Genesis seal.

Also... you need to fully address Myriad's point.
The sheer number of words does seem to be larger in the MRC Secret Seal, and the complete meaningful instructional sentence I found (joining with other relevant words in a prominent symmetrical pattern) without any further manipulation of the grid has comparable if not superior aesthetic qualities and apparent improbability to anything you found in the Genesis Seal prior to any of your additional manipulations of it.

So far all I've seen is evasion. Personally I think you might well be mentally ill. I have no wish to contribute to your delusions but if you wish to convince anyone other than yourself, you need to address these specific questions rather than just allude to an answer.

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Hans' proposed control matrix might reveal a good few valid emergent words, but they are not validated by being organised in the same concise way that is demonstrated by the Genesis Seal.

That is a great example of bias.

Your seal is, if anything, less organized than the Holy MRC Secret Seal.
 
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Myriad said:
*snip* It's not sufficient to only try what worked before. You must try all the possibilities you tried before.
This is an assertion that I have not previously addressed as I should have done, though it has been made quite a number of times. In point of fact, I did not 'try' all that many arrangements. When I saw that the Hebrew form of Genesis 1:1 divides up neatly into four blocks of seven letters each, I tried two alternative arrangements. One was a 7x4 matrix, and the other an empty square defined by a perimeter constructed from those four blocks of text. And that's it! The idea that I tried lots of different arrangements is not only a false assumption, it is also unrealistic. There just aren't that many ways to re-arrange the given text that would respect the distinctive positions of word-breaks. Or, at least, I didn't have the imagination to recognise any more than those two.
 
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that it has been recognised as such in the past, and may have influenced historical movers and shakers.
RobDegraves said:
This you absolutely need to prove.
You are quite right that I need to get on and show some proof, rather than just saying it exists. I am getting closer to being able to do just that. I shall do so after my next contributory post.

I'm a historian, my specialty is the middle ages (where the bible was the center of numerous wacky theories), and I've even done a study of medieval alchemy... and I've never heard of the Genesis seal.
You would not have heard of the Genesis Seal per se, for three reasons.
1. The name is one that I have coined for this phenomenon.
2. Those who knew of, and valued the Seal as a supposed religious revelation were quickly hounded out of existence by the Roman Church, and
3. Others who saw it as an extraordinary enigma elected to disguise it in literature that is still widely known, though less widely read today. It was something of an ‘in joke’ among troubadours and trouveres of the 12th/13th centuries.

Points 2. and 3. are the causes of some long-standing mysteries surrounding that period. But in what is known, there are some gaping holes that are a perfect fit with the Genesis Seal
I will get around to these matters as soon as possible.
 

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