The Genesis Seal

I am making a start. But I won't let it drive out my other purpose, which is to information (albeit untested) into the public domain. Even in that state, it could be of interest to one or more visitors. Who knows, I may even attract an ally who is willing to help with the testing.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
Wasn't sure you expected a reply, but I'm getting paranoid after being accused by others of ignorance. Anyway, just showing that I am listening.

Added: If other texts do show the same degree of apparent, underlying order then I shall take up a new hobby.
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Ahh good!

My experiment is now ready. Notice that it does away with most of the subjectivity.

First step is to find a text that holds no codes. I have chosen the first part of your first post in this thread:

I would like to introduce to you a topic that will not be familiar – completely new territory.
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(I skipped the "My fellow skeptics" header)

Next step is to take the 64 first letters, skipping spaces and punctuation. To be sure you didn't hide any codes in it, I will not place the letters in the 'seal order', but in a completely random order. I do this with an Excel spreadsheet. Obviously, even if you did build in secret codes, you would have no way of predicting which of the millions of possible random orders my program would pick.

The very first randomization yields the following:

D P F U N E T I
C A L N I A R I
W U T U T E Y O
T E L L M W E K
B O O A H A T I
D Y P O O R L O
T C L L I O E L
O I C T N M L I

Now for finding words. I have looked for English words, because the original text is English, so letters will be weighed for that language (I do notice words in several other languages, however). I have not fully explored the diagonals, and the right to left sequences, so there may be more:

 D P F U N E T I
C A L N I A R I
W U T U T E Y O
T E L L M W E K
B O O A H A T I
D Y P O O R L O
T C L L I O E L
O I C T N M L I

So in a slightly light-hearted tone we might (as the only subjective part of the exercise) deduct the following "hidden message":

Poor tut, do try to tell me fun hat.

If you want to try for yourself, I can mail you my spreadsheet.

Good luck finding a new hobby. :D

Hans
 
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MRC_Hans said:
I have not fully explored the diagonals, and the right to left sequences, so there may be more:
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Reading right to left, I found the following additional words:

ten
rain
yet
let
it
Leo
ill

This is fun!
 
There is also

war
aha
top
plum
all
nay

This means that we can extract a higher number of words from a random matrix of the letters than were in the original sentence!

The consequence of this is that the set is diverging from zero, that is, if we write all the derived words in a row and scramble them into a new, larger matrix, we will find even more words, which can become an even larger matrix, etc......

Fun indeed!

If I get time, I will try this out with an initial sequence that holds all the letters of the alphabet (unlike the present one, which misses some).

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog....

Hans
 
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Fifth row down, left to right, reads (skipping two letters) "Boo Hati"--obviously a reference to the disaster that befell that country a few years back.
 
I declare this the MRC Secret Seal .. and I can say with no hyperbole of any kind that it is obviously the most important find in the history of the world... if not the Universe.

Just on a casual read from top to bottom, mostly just taking the middle words...

fun
ni
tey
tell
a
poor
li
tn

"Funny, they tell a poor lie". I assume it's signed TN.

Who is TN? Who are they? We need to find out.
 
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RobDegraves said:
I declare this the MRC Secret Seal .. and I can say with no hyperbole of any kind that it is obviously the most important find in the history of the world... if not the Universe.
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You may be on to something here!
 
MRC_Hans said:
There is also

war
aha
top
plum
all
nay

This means that we can extract a higher number of words from a random matrix of the letters than were in the original sentence!

The consequence of this is that the set is diverging from zero, that is, if we write all the derived words in a row and scramble them into a new, larger matrix, we will find even more words, which can become an even larger matrix, etc......
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Indeed. The pattern even contains clues for how to modify it in order to look for deeper meanings. Consider the word TRY reading downward from (1 column right of) the upper left. If we look at the exact same position reflected at the lower right (reading upward from one column right of the lower left), we find ICY. This suggests that if we try to find meaning in this grid as it is, we will fail; we are so "cold" (far from the correct goal, as opposed to warm) as to be icy.

What can we do about this? The answer is in the main diagonal that passes through and connects the centers of those two key words. Reading it from upper right to lower left, we find the complete sentence "I REMAP C O." "Remap" clearly tells us to alter the way the letters are mapped in the grid, perhaps by changing the letter C to the letter O, or by rearranging the grid so that a C is shifted to the former position of an O. The first person "I" is the code designer reminding and reassuring us that were are following the steps he or she planned out before us.

Though more details need to be worked out to proceed further, these features of the grid contain far too much regularity and meaning to be coincidence.

Or do they?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
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RobDegraves said:
I declare this the MRC Secret Seal .. and I can say with no hyperbole of any kind that it is obviously the most important find in the history of the world... if not the Universe.
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It's better than a seal. It should be call the MRC Secret Walrus.
 
Dinwar said:
So you admit that we're right--that this idea needs to be tested before accepted--yet you expect people to accept it anyway. :boggled:
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Of course I accept that for the more discerning posters on this thread some suitable testing would be needed before accepting my hypothesis. In fact, by using the word hypothesis, I am placing myself in the way of critical thought. But any sane person must agree that much of the dross that has been aimed at me falls well short of the scientific definition of 'critical'. I am presently working on some 'control' data sets, just six from the Hebrew up to now. I am doing my best to read into them as creatively as possible since the idea, as I understand it, is to show that the Genesis Seal is no more unusual than should be expected. Up to now, I have chosen two sets of three 28-letter verses from the Hebrew Torah. In one set, all the full-verse Gematria totals have a distinctive geometrical characteristic. The others have no such attributes. But I am putting them all through the same process. I can declare already that I am finding some structure that some observers could interpret as 'organised', but up to now nothing like the quantity and organisation I have presented for the Genesis Seal. I think I am being objectively creative, or at least I'm doing my best to be.
When the time comes, I will need to know whether the more serious posters on this thread would like to see the results and, if so, how will I do that? Alternatively, I can make the pre-analysis data available for others to test alongside my own efforts.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
Of course I accept that for the more discerning posters on this thread some suitable testing would be needed before accepting my hypothesis. In fact, by using the word hypothesis, I am placing myself in the way of critical thought. But any sane person must agree that much of the dross that has been aimed at me falls well short of the scientific definition of 'critical'. I am presently working on some 'control' data sets, just six from the Hebrew up to now. I am doing my best to read into them as creatively as possible since the idea, as I understand it, is to show that the Genesis Seal is no more unusual than should be expected. Up to now, I have chosen two sets of three 28-letter verses from the Hebrew Torah. In one set, all the full-verse Gematria totals have a distinctive geometrical characteristic. The others have no such attributes. But I am putting them all through the same process. I can declare already that I am finding some structure that some observers could interpret as 'organised', but up to now nothing like the quantity and organisation I have presented for the Genesis Seal. I think I am being objectively creative, or at least I'm doing my best to be.
When the time comes, I will need to know whether the more serious posters on this thread would like to see the results and, if so, how will I do that? Alternatively, I can make the pre-analysis data available for others to test alongside my own efforts.
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Excuse me, but were you the one talking about respectfulness? I just spent several hours designing and executing a test to try out your hypothesis.

I am awaiting your serious comment.

Respectfully, Hans
 
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