The Genesis Seal

[dafydd]

I found another one. It's from the Daily Fail so what do you expect.?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...cret-messages-hidden-Platos-ancient-text.html

 

[Dinwar]

I will bet a large sum of money that nobody in the past has ever used the 'Genesis Seal'.

Agreed. I was just trying to be helpful, though. I mean, the idea wasn't standing on its own merits--I thought perhaps he could discuss his ideas on who in the past used it, to try a new line of argument that wasn't so obviously not going to work. But this guy seems like a rhino: he's going in one direction, and will do his best to run over anything that gets in his way, no matter what it is.

 

[dafydd]

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[Kingfisher2926]

You created a grid? Yet you claim it is an old undiscovered secret. Which is it, they can't both be true.

Discovered at intervals, but allowed to fall back into obscurity. That is sometimes through jealous secrecy; at others it is Establishment persecution.

 

[dafydd]

Agreed. I was just trying to be helpful, though. I mean, the idea wasn't standing on its own merits--I thought perhaps he could discuss his ideas on who in the past used it, to try a new line of argument that wasn't so obviously not going to work. But this guy seems like a rhino: he's going in one direction, and will do his best to run over anything that gets in his way, no matter what it is.

He does steam on regardless and ignores all the points made by other posters. He seems to think that he will convince us by using persistence. Not a chance.

 

[dafydd]

Discovered at intervals, but allowed to fall back into obscurity. That is sometimes through jealous secrecy; at others it is Establishment persecution.

No, you said undiscovered. Give us an example of it being discovered. Bet you can't. I can't see why anyone would be jealous of a daft word game. Boggle did not prove a threat to World order.

 

[Dinwar]

Unless it's the Klingon version of Boggle. And only then because all of the geeks would be playing it, and nothing would ever get done.

 

[Donn]

Why is he calling it a seal? I get the potential movie-rights of 'The Genesis Seal', it sounds aventurous, but why a seal? Don't they close things off?
Is he saying it's a kind of lock with a security code? But the code must be known to open a lock. His 'seal' is supplyng stuff.

Meh. I suddenly lost inte

 

[dafydd]

You can find all sorts of way out crap on Google, but 'Genesis Seal' has one hit, this thread, It must be the best kept secret in history. It makes the Illuminati look like bungling amateurs.

 

[ddt]

ddt wrote:
A. In this context, the result of the author’s conscious intention.

And you claim to know the author's "conscious intention"? Let's then take one step back: who is the author of Genesis 1:1-2? YHWH, Ezra, a bunch of goat herders, or a bunch of Jewish priests exiled in Babylon?

Have you not seen my posts #119 and #136?
Besides, my challenge was to create a grid that reveals English words of only 2, 3 or 4 letters, of which there are many.

As I earlier said, I've played my share of Boggle games so I know you can easily get a big score of such words.

 

[Marduk]

You will note that my Genesis Seal hypothesis does not depend on gathering information at all.

every study on earth depends on gathering information, how are you so blind

It depends on recognising an improbably large number of linguistically valid Hebrew words that crop up in an improbably short piece of ancient text, demonstrating an improbable amount of structural coherence.

I came up with over 50 words doing the same thing with the Enuma Elish, you ignored that because it didn't fit your preconceived idea, thats confirmation bias right there

If confirmation bias were the whole story there would be no progress in a great number of academic specialisms. Even the tools of biblical scholarship depend on an ability to recognise patterns in ancient texts.

no one is saying patterns don't exist, but the patterns which you choose to favour are the ones that prove you are suffering from confirmation bias.
the fact that you've just printed three paragraphs of nonsense in a pitiful attempt to prove you don't have a bias is evidence that it exists, if this wasn't confirmation bias you would easily be able to show how what you have is real
you can't and have failed to convince anyone at this forum that what you have is even remotely valid to anything in the real world
i.e. it's just in your head, where the confirmation bias lives

Discovered at intervals, but allowed to fall back into obscurity. That is sometimes through jealous secrecy; at others it is Establishment persecution.

this is another example of your bias, you claimed others in history have discovered the same thing, yet, they if didn't mention it to anyone for the two reasons you stated, how did you find out about their involvement ?

so a question
Q. Show any character in history was aware of this with direct evidence (i.e. not your suspicions)

I will keep asking this question, if you refuse to answer, we will all know youre making it up

 

[dafydd]

Why is he calling it a seal? I get the potential movie-rights of 'The Genesis Seal', it sounds aventurous, but why a seal? Don't they close things off?
Is he saying it's a kind of lock with a security code? But the code must be known to open a lock. His 'seal' is supplyng stuff.

Meh. I suddenly lost inte

Seals are used to make impressions in wax on scrolls and so forth. The Great Seal of the UK is an example. Seals are of course in mirror image so that the impression in the wax can be read. Kingfisher seems to have overlooked this. Kingfisher, there is no such thing as a Genesis Seal, scour the museums of the world all you like. Please address this:

I came up with over 50 words doing the same thing with the Enuma Elish, you ignored that because it didn't fit your preconceived idea, thats confirmation bias right there

 

[Kingfisher2926]

Dinwar wrote:

Nope. You simply need to show what the method is, and demonstrate that those others used the method.

Isaac Newton would quickly have understood what an electronic calculator is designed to do. He would just need to accidentally throw the ON switch, and the rest would follow naturally. I threw the Genesis Seal switch after reading about a 20th Century mathematician who discovered something new about the behaviour of prime numbers. Others in the past might have approached the problem in other ways. There have been more than enough analytical Jewish rabbis.

Also:

Please do not press me on these details, since you do not yet have enough background information for me to explain.

This is rather presumptuous. You have no clue what my knowledge of history is. And again, you don't need to show that your idea is true in order to show that people used it. This is nothing more than an evasion, and a very poor understanding of what I'm asking for to boot.

I should have said information about the Genesis Seal that I have not yet had a chance to present to this forum. Sorry for the unintended insult.

 

[Agatha]

If you miss out the vowels (like Hebrew) the first sentence of Harry Potter and The Philosopher's Stone has exactly 64 letters.

Because I had nothing better to do this evening, I put those 64 letters into the square the OP suggested.

There are plenty of words one can make running horizontally and vertically, adding in vowels where necessary. Some of them even relate to Harry Potter for example Ron, auror, seer, late, shoot, fire, Lord, fatal, keeper...

However, there is no suggestion that JK Rowling was trying to encode anything into her work, simply that given a few letters the mind will find patterns. Ascribing meaning to those patterns is where you are making a mistake, Kingfisher. Just like the Bible Code, this is no more than an artefact of a few letters being able to be combined in many thousands of ways to form words.

 

[ynot]

The alphabet contains 26 letters. Half are used to form words far more than the other half so we have say 13 commonly used letters. Place these letters in a grid where most letters are surrounded by eight letters, read in all directions and . . . OMG . . . WORDS WILL APPEAR! (it would actually be OMG if they didn't)

 

[dafydd]

Dinwar wrote:


Isaac Newton would quickly have understood what an electronic calculator is designed to do. He would just need to accidentally throw the ON switch, and the rest would follow naturally. I threw the Genesis Seal switch after reading about a 20th Century mathematician who discovered something new about the behaviour of prime numbers. Others in the past might have approached the problem in other ways. There have been more than enough analytical Jewish rabbis.

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That has nothing do do with Dinwar's post. Are you ever going to address our points?

 

[dafydd]

If you miss out the vowels (like Hebrew) the first sentence of Harry Potter and The Philosopher's Stone has exactly 64 letters.

Because I had nothing better to do this evening, I put those 64 letters into the square the OP suggested.

There are plenty of words one can make running horizontally and vertically, adding in vowels where necessary. Some of them even relate to Harry Potter for example Ron, auror, seer, late, shoot, fire, Lord, fatal, keeper...

However, there is no suggestion that JK Rowling was trying to encode anything into her work, simply that given a few letters the mind will find patterns. Ascribing meaning to those patterns is where you are making a mistake, Kingfisher. Just like the Bible Code, this is no more than an artefact of a few letters being able to be combined in many thousands of ways to form words.

Take note, Kingfisher. Think about it. Try and bypass your confirmation bias. This can be done with any book. Read up on probability theory.

 

[Dinwar]

I threw the Genesis Seal switch after reading about a 20th Century mathematician who discovered something new about the behaviour of prime numbers.

I thought that the way you were looking at the text looked familiar. Unfortunately, 1) we don't know why prime numbers occur where they do on the number line, 2) there's no reason to expect any text to have a similar pattern, and 3) your analysis fails to show anything other than a superficial pattern. An 8x8 grid isn't that big--show me that it works for the whole of Genesis, and do a comparison with the prime numbers for an equal grid, and you may have something interesting to look at. Until then, it's just random chance.

Others in the past might have approached the problem in other ways. There have been more than enough analytical Jewish rabbis.

So you're going to claim that any apparently significant text found in any jumbled Bible verses is proof that others were doing the same thing you did. Nice.

I should have said information about the Genesis Seal that I have not yet had a chance to present to this forum. Sorry for the unintended insult.

Fair enough. So ignore whether or not we agree that your method works--it's irrelevant to your discussion. You have to show two things: first, what your method is, and second, that other people in the past have used THE SAME METHOD, and gotten the same results.

By the way, if you put =Dinwar after the [QUOTE bit and before the ], you won't need to type "Dinwar wrote:" every time. Took me a while to catch on, and as you can see I'm pretty lax about it.

 

[Kingfisher2926]

Agreed. I was just trying to be helpful, though. I mean, the idea wasn't standing on its own merits--I thought perhaps he could discuss his ideas on who in the past used it, to try a new line of argument that wasn't so obviously not going to work. But this guy seems like a rhino: he's going in one direction, and will do his best to run over anything that gets in his way, no matter what it is.

Dinwar,
I just crave a little patience. I will present the information as quickly as possible so that it can be discussed as a coherent whole.
Daffidd pointed out that what I am doing is not scholarship. Just bear in mind the the Klondike (sp?) goldrush was not started by a professional mining engineer, but by a guy out looking for his sister and her family.

 

[dafydd]

Fair enough. So ignore whether or not we agree that your method works--it's irrelevant to your discussion. You have to show two things: first, what your method is, and second, that other people in the past have used THE SAME METHOD, and gotten the same results.

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Not much hope of that, he says he works without information. That was obvious from the start.