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The Genesis Seal

Donn said:
You imply here that the bibble is supernatural (etc.) and this is before you have gathered all your data, by your own earlier admissions. You wish to show that it is supernatural, and you already believe it so.
This is circular reasoning.
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It's about as supernatural as a pint of brown ale.
 
Here's a challenge: Find me a stretch of 64 letters of text, in any language, that when wrapped in a spiral in this way do not produce any words in the same language when reading across the diagram in any direction you choose.

ETA: I just checked the first 64 letters of this post (spelling out sixty-four). With but a cursory glance, I've already discovered "gay", "nun", "axis", and "rats" or "star".
 
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Kingfisher2926 said:
Sorry Rob, but you have missed a key point. The cryptic content of the Genesis Seal is by no means well known That is why it challenges lots of fondly held world views, and trumps all previous candidates for 'supernatural' design in the Bible.
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It's not known, therefore it's better. :boggled:

It's the Theory of Indie Rock Relativity! :p
 
Dinwar wrote:
Could you elaborate more on this, please? You're not getting anywhere trying to convince us that your methodology is useful, but this has a much greater potential (and if true, would neatly circumvent the issues raised, because at that point it wouldn't matter if the idea were true or not, only that some historical figure based his/her actions on it). Could you provide some names of historic figures that believed in this, and evidence that they did?
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First, try to free yourself of the belief that I am trying to make a case for supernatural intervention in the Bible. Whether that is the case or not, it may become clear only when the Genesis Seal is well enough known.
I shall show that the Genesis Seal was known in the past, and I can name some relevant historical figures, but that would be pointless until I reach a stage where I have presented enough information to count as evidence.
Some candidates are: Ancient Egyptian priesthood, Babylonian priesthood, Jewish exiles in Babylon (esp. Ezekiel and Ezra), Pythagoras, Jesus of Nazareth, Mani, St. Bernard of Clairvaux, Chretien de Troyes, Wolfram von Eschenbach,, then the trail goes cold until the development of modern Hermetic philosophy. Please do not press me on these details, since you do not yet have enough background information for me to explain.
 
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First, try to free yourself of the belief that I am trying to make a case for supernatural intervention in the Bible. Whether that is the case or not, it may become clear only when the Genesis Seal is well enough known.
I shall show that the Genesis Seal was known in the past, and I can name some relevant historical figures, but that would be pointless until I reach a stage where I have presented enough information to count as evidence.
Some candidates are: Ancient Egyptian priesthood, Babylonian priesthood, Jewish exiles in Babylon (esp. Ezekiel and Ezra), Pythagoras, Jesus of Nazareth, Mani, St. Bernard of Clairvaux, Chretien de Troyes, Wolfram von Eschenbach,, then the trail goes cold until the development of modern Hermetic philosophy. Please do not press me on these details, since you do not yet have enough background information for me to explain.
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We? You mean you don't. And the Genesis Seal will never be well known. Your list reminds me of the mythical PrieureDe Sion grandmasters in the book 'Holy Blood,Holy Grail'. That sold well. I think that's what you are aiming for. We are quite intelligent, the background information will be no problem as some posters here have shown that they know more about the bible than you do.
 
Marduk said:
you said this earlier


now you're saying this



so whichever of these is a lie, you are either way a liar aren't you
:rolleyes:
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Well known and undiscovered at the same time. Let's be generous. Deluded or a troll.
 
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dafydd said:
We are quite intelligent, the background information will be no problem as some posters here have shown that they know more about the bible than you do.
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I'm personally looking forwards to this part
Kingfisher2926 said:
Babylonian priesthood, Jewish exiles in Babylon (esp. Ezekiel and Ezra).
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apparently I don't have enough background to understand it though, which is just as well, as the OP is unlikely ever to go into any details about it
:rolleyes:

dafydd said:
Well known and undiscovered at the same time. Let's be generous. Deluded or a troll.
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why not deluded troll ?
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currently class 5

:D
 
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Marduk said:
I'm personally looking forwards to this part

apparently I don't have enough background to understand it though, which is just as well, as the OP is unlikely ever to go into any details about it
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why not deluded troll ?
:D
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Another woo passing in the night.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
Besides, my challenge was to create a grid that reveals English words of only 2, 3 or 4 letters, of which there are many.
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You created a grid? Yet you claim it is an old undiscovered secret. Which is it, they can't both be true.
 
Marduk,
I looked at the Wiki article in your link, and quickly encountered this:
Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias, myside bias or verification bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.[Note 1][1] As a result, people gather evidence and remember information selectively...
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You will note that my Genesis Seal hypothesis does not depend on gathering information at all. It depends on recognising an improbably large number of linguistically valid Hebrew words that crop up in an improbably short piece of ancient text, demonstrating an improbable amount of structural coherence.
If confirmation bias were the whole story there would be no progress in a great number of academic specialisms. Even the tools of biblical scholarship depend on an ability to recognise patterns in ancient texts.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
First, try to free yourself of the belief that I am trying to make a case for supernatural intervention in the Bible. Whether that is the case or not, it may become clear only when the Genesis Seal is well enough known.
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I was assuming you were making a case for a hidden code. It may be helpful if you don't project your fears onto posts--it'll simplify communication.

I shall show that the Genesis Seal was known in the past, and I can name some relevant historical figures, but that would be pointless until I reach a stage where I have presented enough information to count as evidence.
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Nope. You simply need to show what the method is, and demonstrate that those others used the method. I mean, the Bible is a work of fiction, yet we can clearly demonstrate that many, many, many historical figures in European history relied on it quite extensively. We know that the universe doesn't need blood sacrafices to continue operating, yet we can clearly show that American cultures practiced such rituals. The list goes on.

Please do not press me on these details, since you do not yet have enough background information for me to explain.
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This is rather presumptuous. You have no clue what my knowledge of history is. And again, you don't need to show that your idea is true in order to show that people used it. This is nothing more than an evasion, and a very poor understanding of what I'm asking for to boot.

Let me make it simple: I DO NOT CARE if your idea is true or not. It's irrelevant to me for the sake of this argument. I want to know that other people in the past have used it. Once you show that, THEN we can start discussing whether it's true or not--you'll have a hook, a reason for us to pay attention to your methodology. Until then, you're resting your case on the merits of dubious manipulation of text and playing word-find games.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
If confirmation bias were the whole story there would be no progress in a great number of academic specialisms. Even the tools of biblical scholarship depend on an ability to recognise patterns in ancient texts.
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No. Words in ancient texts, not rearranging the letters to get random nonsense. There is a difference. What you are doing is not scholarship.
 
Dinwar said:
Let me make it simple: I DO NOT CARE if your idea is true or not. It's irrelevant to me for the sake of this argument. I want to know that other people in the past have used it. Once you show that, THEN we can start discussing whether it's true or not--you'll have a hook, a reason for us to pay attention to your methodology. Until then, you're resting your case on the merits of dubious manipulation of text and playing word-find games.
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I will bet a large sum of money that nobody in the past has ever used the 'Genesis Seal'.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
Marduk,
I looked at the Wiki article in your link, and quickly encountered this:


You will note that my Genesis Seal hypothesis does not depend on gathering information at all. It depends on recognising an improbably large number of linguistically valid Hebrew words that crop up in an improbably short piece of ancient text, demonstrating an improbable amount of structural coherence.
If confirmation bias were the whole story there would be no progress in a great number of academic specialisms. Even the tools of biblical scholarship depend on an ability to recognise patterns in ancient texts.
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The 'improbable' gives you away. You know nothing about probability theory.
 
Twiler said:
If this discovery is so important, why haven't you reported it on a larger scale?
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Sore point, I'm afraid. I do not have the kind of contacts that would require; a voice crying in the wilderness, if you like. It seemed the JREF forum would be as good a place as any to start.
 
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