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The Genesis Seal

Donn said:
So, the big thing is what emerges from those 64 letters? If anything else had emerged, then that would have been it. No?

What emerged is what emerged, you found some patterns ergo God?

What patterns would falsify the idea?
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What would falsify it? Why, the absence of patterns would be enough to do that.
Everyone: Let's get something straight; the human brain is well programmed to recognise patterns. Its a survival thing, to see the outline of a lion through the camouflage of grass and shrubs. So, remember that the pattern sometimes is a lion.
 
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the PC apeman said:
Seeing as how this is the James Randi Educational Foundation's forum, I decided to take The Amazing One's first book listed in Amazon.com and try this.

How profoundly interesting that the first sentence of Flim Flam contains exactly 64 letters. The Randi Seal seems even more magical than Genesis'!

But wait, right there smack dab in the center of this seal is the true message: Finding something interesting traps one into thinking there is significance to it.


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I did this in a few minutes. I bet I could find more interesting stuff given more time.
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See if you can find a similar-size example with a modest 20 emergent words, all related to one-another. Then find one with 100 such cases.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
See if you can find a similar-size example with a modest 20 emergent words, all related to one-another. Then find one with 100 such cases.
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Why? You've only got two words, and a pattern that forms a letter in a different alphabet the authors that didn't exist when the book was written- and you had to ignore nearly half the instances of the symbol making up the letter to see it.
 
I didn't see you address this. Any response?

AvalonXQ said:
The highlighted point is actually not true. Since you're counting the diagonals as being part of both halves rather than neither half, the truth is that for most squares on the board, more than 7/8 of the rest of the board shares a "half" with it in some orientation. And depending on how close together the first two are, again there is likely a probability higher than 1/4 that the next square shares a "half" with the first two squares.
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Kingfisher2926 said:
See if you can find a similar-size example with a modest 20 emergent words, all related to one-another. Then find one with 100 such cases.
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How much time would I have to invest to do this? No, I don't think I will. You need to convince me there's something here worth pursuing first.
 
RobDegraves said:
@ Kingfisher

I take it you are going to ignore what PC Apeman and Leumas did?

Standard behavior really... but disappointing nonetheless.
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The only thing that hurts is the waste of time for anyone who might otherwise get something worthwhile from this thread. In among those 'contributions' I am seeing some very pertinent questions aimed at assessing the verity of the Genesis Seal. Not knowing the past performance of contributors, I may occasionally mistake sarcasm for a well-meaning post. In the end, I shall try to seive for those inputs that appear to me to be from the sort of skeptics that JREF can be proud of.
 
Donn said:
And the question: What would it take to falsify the effect? What would it take to make you doubt?
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If, by 'falsify the effect' you mean create it as a sort of trap, that is almost what the Genesis Seal is. But not a malicious one. You could perhaps regard the Seal as a honey trap, not to catch the unwary, but as a teaching aid.
What would it take to make me doubt? Too late I'm afraid, since I am already familiar with fifty times the content highlighted in my first post on this thread.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
If, by 'falsify the effect' you mean create it as a sort of trap, that is almost what the Genesis Seal is. But not a malicious one. You could perhaps regard the Seal as a honey trap, not to catch the unwary, but as a teaching aid.
What would it take to make me doubt? Too late I'm afraid, since I am already familiar with fifty times the content highlighted in my first post on this thread.
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But if it's not falsifiable, it's not a scientific theory.
 
AvalonXQ said:
I didn't see you address this. Any response?
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Fair point. But you will see from Figure 1 (Post #1) that all nine copies of the letter vav are on or below the horizontal diagonal, and five of them also coincide with the grid's vertical axis of bi-lateral symmetry. Clearly, the same nine letters are demonstrating two alternative symmetries. And that is in addition to any meaningful literary content.
 
Twiler said:
But if it's not falsifiable, it's not a scientific theory.
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I'm probably not the best person to work this up into a formal scientific theory. My more modest current aim is to show that there is something extraordinary that needs to be explained. I am well aware that what I have revealed so far is still a long way short of what I have promised.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
What would falsify it? Why, the absence of patterns would be enough to do that.
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Took me a while, but I think I see the flaw.

I think you equivocate on the word 'pattern'. I think you are looking for meaning, and specifically religious meaning. The absence of patterns would be ignored as you prime the pump with some other text.

So, what are you seeking? Can you not find it somewhere else? Can you not support your findings by some other means?

Why would finding secular phrases not falsify it?
Why would finding religious phrases in arbitrary text not falsify it?

If you have no way to falsify it, then you are merely dowsing.

Does that make sense?
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
DC, I appreciate your candour. What I am showing you all today is the result of several years analysis on my part.
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:dl:

Years?

You seriously spend years on this hogwash? Years?

You spend years on randomly reassigning a bunch of letters and now all you have to show for it is the claim that the emerging patterns were intentionally built into the original text? That's it?

No prediction, no new knowledge? Nothing that would be beyond interpretation, like the first 50 digits of pi or the first 12 primes?
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
Hardly.
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No, exactly.

You are rearranging the order of letters and then look for patterns. It is almost guaranteed that no matter what the text and no matter what the method of rearranging the letters, you will see patterns.

Everything that emerges in the Genesis Seal comes from a mere 64 letters. The downfall of the Bible Code (let's not mention it again) was the vast extent of the text it purported to 'analyse'.
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The basic principle is still the same.

Also, your 'analysis' is no less deserving of the quotation marks. If it was in any way an analysis, you would be able to first tell us what you were looking for and how and what it would mean if you either did or didn't find it.

You have nothing but a few wasted years. Congratulations.
 
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