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The Genesis Seal

Kingfisher2926 said:
Right now, my friends, I'm going for a bite to eat. I shall pick up the reigns in a little while.
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Bon Appétit, and check it for patterns, not that you per accident eat a sign of an allmighty thingy.
 
Piscivore said:
I notice the word "Salt" jumping right out at me, which is significant because the story occurs on a Mediterranian island, which is course surrounded by salt water, and "Lots", which allude to the shares of the Company Milo sold.
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Not to mention the eternal question "Was Nair as soy?" presaging by millennia Nair brand Silky Sensations Pomegranate and Soy.
 
AvalonXQ said:
You know what would be useful for someone who has more time than I do right now?

Put the first 64 (or 32, or whatever) characters of the OP in a grid and find some patterns just as "notable" as these. I wonder if the OP will then agree he deliberately included a hidden message?
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Seeing as how this is the James Randi Educational Foundation's forum, I decided to take The Amazing One's first book listed in Amazon.com and try this.

How profoundly interesting that the first sentence of Flim Flam contains exactly 64 letters. The Randi Seal seems even more magical than Genesis'!

But wait, right there smack dab in the center of this seal is the true message: Finding something interesting traps one into thinking there is significance to it.




I did this in a few minutes. I bet I could find more interesting stuff given more time.
 
DC said...

DC said:
i don't get it, what do you want to demonstrate with this number and letters game? is it a game? or what is it?
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You replied....

Kingfisher2926 said:
I am glad you are troubled by this phenomenon, no doubt more than you have been troubled by anything else you may have encountered in the JREF furums.
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What possibly could have induced you to infer that DC was “troubled by the phenomenon”?

He asked what was YOUR purpose in manipulating the letters in game fashion so as to come up with the results you cajoled out of the contrived game.....that is all.

He did not say he was troubled nor did he even rebut your claims.... ALLLLL he did was ask you a question about the purpose of your acrobatic juggling of the text in such a fashion.

A question....not a statement about being troubled and nary a hint of a critical stance on the whole thing (the critical stances in the above statements are mine).

He just asked you your purpose.

Your reply was to INFER a mood and an attitude and you ASS-U-med that he was troubled from a question he posed to you.

Does this in any way indicate to you a MINDSET of HYPER-INFERENCE.... you seem to be prone to inferring things that are not there.

You have a HEIGHTENED SENSE OF ASS-U-ming things.


Kingfisher2926 said:
Isn't this what one might expect from a biblical phenomenon that appears to exceed the wit of any conceivable human intellect?
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Only if you are the kind of person who has a HYPER-INFERRING MINDSET.

If you are prone to ASS-U-ming things a lot and you have a heightened sense of FINDING THINGS THAT ARE NOT THERE in anything you read....like you did with DC's post....

Only then would you have a "human intellect" that can be "exceeded" by such meaningless and ASS-U-med "biblical phenomenon".
 
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But wait, there's more. This time from Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion.



Notice how perfectly the first sentence creates a doughnut. Within we find Huey pushing outwards. Is it Huey Lewis? Huey Long? Or just plain hooey?

BREAKING NEWS.....

Huey Pierce LongWP, Jr. (August 30, 1893 – September 10, 1935), nicknamed The Kingfish, served as the 40th Governor of Louisiana from 1928–1932 and as a U.S. Senator from 1932 to 1935.

:eek:
 
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JimBenArm said:
Do we know it's a seal, or is it a sealion?
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It was a sealion originally, but we cut it off in the middle to properly "interpret" it.

The probability that the word "sealion" would include the word "seal" by random chance is less than 1 in 456,976.
 
the PC apeman said:
Seeing as how this is the James Randi Educational Foundation's forum, I decided to take The Amazing One's first book listed in Amazon.com and try this.

How profoundly interesting that the first sentence of Flim Flam contains exactly 64 letters. The Randi Seal seems even more magical than Genesis'!

But wait, right there smack dab in the center of this seal is the true message: Finding something interesting traps one into thinking there is significance to it.


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I did this in a few minutes. I bet I could find more interesting stuff given more time.
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here is another one RUSE (backwards)

 
Dinwar said:
The ods qouted in the OP assumes a random distribution. This ignores the fact that language has syntax, grammar, and other conventions. Thus, the odds quoted are meaningless, and the entire argument collapses into "Look at this weird pattern I found!"
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Not so. The pattern works mainly for letters that are not only widely separated, but not (as with that pesky Bible Code) at equidistant intervals. In these circumstances, the grammar and syntax of the source text have no direct relevance so that meaningful patterns should be unlikely to arise.
 
Twiler said:
How is this different from the 'bible codes'?
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Far from it, for two reasons.
1. The bible code hypothesis is based on equidistant letter sequences. Compare that with the first occurrence of aur (light) in the G1 grid, which is composed from letters at positions 3, 27 and 29, in that order.
2. The bible code enjoyed a playground of over 80,000 Hebrew letters (ie just the book of Genesis). The Genesis Seal is severely restricted to just the first 64 letters of the Torah, yet manages to achieve a correspondingly huge amount. In bible code studies, the term 'compactness' is used to assess significance, by measuring the extent of the text within which a result is found. In no case did that ever come close to a mere 64 letters.
 
DC said:
except your wit offcourse :)

i see no pehnomenon and surely not a biblical one. I still don't get your point. do you think the inventors of the thora did hide this in the thora? or is it some sort of magic or what do you belief it to be?
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My wit is enough for me to recognise what a vastly superior intellect was able to create. The point, for now, is that this thing works. There is surely plenty of time later for a debate as to who did the creating.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
My wit is enough for me to recognise what a vastly superior intellect was able to create. The point, for now, is that this thing works. There is surely plenty of time later for a debate as to who did the creating.
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Wouldn't that mean that everything that was created by anyone was created by a vastly superior intellect? At least that's what the evidence points to so far...
 
Piscivore said:
Here's "Catch 22":
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I see a Giuffria album cover.

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Here's their video for 'Call To The Heart'.

And, the book of Psalm 119:145:

"I call with all my heart..."

You may be on to something here.

:rolleyes:
 
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@ Kingfisher

I take it you are going to ignore what PC Apeman and Leumas did?

Standard behavior really... but disappointing nonetheless.
 
And the question: What would it take to falsify the effect? What would it take to make you doubt?
 
Twiler said:
How many different sections of the text did you check for patterns?
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On checking two other similar-sized portions of Genesis I found only two meaningful effects, compared with the hundreds in the Genesis Seal. What is more, in the Seal the same patterns persist in other grids of the same size in which the same text is entered using alternative, but equally clear rules. However, while the patterns persist, the valid words that participate are different in each case. Another thing that persists is the way that related, emergent words tend to cluster together.
When the dust settles, I shall go on to demonstrate those extensions.
 
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